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 Post subject: G-Flex epoxy test
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:15 pm 
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Until now the only epoxy that I've found that works well with polyethylene has been 3M ScotchWeld DP 8010. Its bonding strength and structural characteristics are amazing but it's a little difficult to work with (short work life of 5 minutes, and 10:1 mixing ratio requires good precision).

Some of the forum members have mentioned West System G/flex 650 as an alternative. It claims to work on PE and has an advertised work time of 45 minutes and a 1:1 mixing ratio so small jobs could be done with small batches without rushing. Sounds great for some boat projects I had in mind. So I picked some up at West Marine ($20 for 8 oz.).

But first I decided to test it out on some scrap to see what to expect. For the first test I ignored the instructions and glued 2 clean untreated Hobie sample disks together to get a feel for initial strength. (This simulates a specific remote reinforcement to the rudder zone of the Adventure Island). After curing, the disks broke apart about as easy as snapping a cracker. Not a good omen (the 8010 made a very strong bond under a similar test).

For the second round I coarse-sanded and cleaned the disks with alcohol as directed.
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After curing 24 hours, I again pulled the discs apart. The glue had about 3 times the bonding strength as the first test but was way short of what I needed. Nevertheless the improvement does demonstrate the value of good preparation. There was no great effort involved in separating the discs again. Here you can see the poor bonding.
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In this final picture, the glue peels easily from the remaining disc.
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Very disappointing. With this level of preparation the 8010 has been reinforcing my severed cam columns for 2 years now without any sign of separation or failure.

G/flex does recommend "flaming" the surface of PE for a stronger bond, but many applications are inaccessible to this process, especially inside the hull. So I didn't bother getting the torch out.

I would say the G/flex is no better than most other epoxies on PE and is vastly overrated. For high strength bonding with PE it is useless without a flame treatment, and I'm frankly a little skeptical about that.

At least that still leaves the DP 8010. Any other recommendations? 8)


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 Post subject: Re: G-Flex epoxy test
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:46 am 
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Hi Ya RR :wink:
Here's my recommendation " If its not broken dont fix it". :lol:
Some adhesives work better under tension rather that shear as was explained to me once by an industry rep. Thanks for the test. I will use the 3M if ever needed.
Kepnutz


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 Post subject: Re: G-Flex epoxy test
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:37 pm 
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Thanks for the comment Kep -- good advice!

Here's an update. I went ahead and flamed the samples (just passing the torch over quickly) and re-glued. There was a definite improvement. The break apart effort was at least 50% greater and the residual epoxy did not peel off as before. It ended up being a decent bond -- certainly nowhere near the strength of plastic, but enough to hold accessories and effect repairs requiring a substantial, but not full strength application. I wonder if flaming PE surfaces has the same effect on other epoxies...? 8)


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