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Author:  AlohaDan [ Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:35 am ]
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Apalach

Looks like we are on the same wave length.

I'll add two more tips.

If you concentrate on coordinating the paddle with one leg only it seems easier. At the same time the other side falls naturally into place.

Try sitting up a little bit higher. You get more twist with your torso.

I'm looking forward to the Turbo Mirage drive. Should slow the stroke rate down.
Author:  Roadrunner [ Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:55 pm ]
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Apalach wrote:
I had the same problem in coordinating my pedal and paddle stroke in the BigA.... Dick


I've been noticing you seem to be getting a lot of seat time in that BigA! I couldn't figure it out until remembering your (wife's) Sport. This must be your (dealer's) Big A. Pretty clever having all these kayaks stashed around. Tell me, are your (kids) thinking about getting a tandom anytime soon?:wink:
Author:  Apalach [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:16 pm ]
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I've been noticing you seem to be getting a lot of seat time in that BigA! I couldn't figure it out until remembering your (wife's) Sport. This must be your (dealer's) Big A.


Sounds that way, doesn't it? But actually I have been out in the BigA only twice (in two different BigAs): both during demo days at my local dealer, the Wilderness Way. They have one in their rental fleet now, and offered me a free day, but I have yet to take them up on it. Actually, now I'm waiting on the "new" Revolution to see if, and how, that baby sorts out! :mrgreen:
Author:  Rnykster [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:21 pm ]
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Apalach wrote:
...local dealer, the Wilderness Way. They have one in their rental fleet now, and offered me a free day, but I have yet to take them up on it. Actually, now I'm waiting on the "new" Revolution to see if, and how, that baby sorts out!

Is that the kayak outfitter south of Tallahassee? I'd really like to spend a day in the Adventure. What is the new "Revolution" you are referring to?
Author:  Apalach [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:48 pm ]
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Rny,
Right--the Wilderness Way is just off the truck route south of Tally on the Woodville hiway. Come on down (or over)!

Ahh yes, the "Revolution." That is the name someone came up with on the KFS Hobie Forum for a new shorter, BigA type yacht. It would be built on the Quest/BigA lines, about 14 feet long, but with those great Outback gunwale tackle trays and rodholders, PLUS the Mirage drive and a sailing capability. Matt Miller kind of warned us to "be careful what you wish for," or words to that effect--hmmm... :mrgreen:
Author:  AlohaDan [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:16 pm ]
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14' !!!! I want 18' with coke bottle shape.

BTW I went out the other day and tried a canoe paddle while pedalling.. This is one I use primarily for OC-6 and OC-1.It's a Gillespie 9.5" blade 42" length.

While on the port side I had the rudder almost jamed to that direction as an offset force.

While pedalling and paddling with the canoe paddle it quickly deteriated into the paddle, with pedal secondary..

Getting into my OC mode I was determined to move that yak. I did!

However.........

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I would not recommend it except for a very short distance like powering through surf.

Steering usng an OC paddle becmes a problem. If your into the international rudderless OC_1's you may not experience the steering aspect with the rudder in the up position.

But by now I'm commenting to the 2% as the rest of you have switched to "TRUBO DIVE"... But where is it?
Author:  Rnykster [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:19 pm ]
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Apalach wrote:
Come on down (or over)! ...a new shorter, BigA type yacht. It would be built on the Quest/BigA lines, about 14 feet long, but with those great Outback gunwale tackle trays and rodholders, PLUS the Mirage drive and a sailing capability.
I'll have to call them to set up a rental and take the Adventure down to St. Marks for a spin. Want me to give you call when I'm over that way?

Would like to check its speed capability versus how wet will I get in what type of waves type testing. The Outback with its high sponson type sides, seem to gobble waves so I never get wet. When I tried out the Mirage classic, little 4 inch waves were breaking over the sloping sides getting me soaked.

I don't like getting wet with a camera on board. Need to see where I can put the camera when not taking photos. The OB has the perfect storage trays, which I guess you might be calling tackle trays. Then again, a camera might just fit into the hatch under the knees, but if the Adventure hull takes in water like the OB hull does, putting a camera in the hull will not be good.

Ya just don't know if a kayak will be right for you until you can sit in it with your regular gear and try it out for a day.
Author:  Rnykster [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:38 pm ]
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AlohaDan wrote:
I would not recommend it except for a very short distance like powering through surf.
A canoe paddle? Yikes. I've found that one paddle stroke with a kayak paddle to two or four pedal strokes works best, and leave the rudder up. Steer with the paddles.

Start out paddling/pedaling hard to get the speed up, then ease off paddling hard and just paddle to steer. You can bump up the speed of the Outback from about 3-4 mph to 5-6 mph by pedaling and paddling together.

It is good to know how to significantly increase your speed should a lightning storm pop up and you need to head to the beach quick.

Plus, it is quite invigorating to catch waves pedaling and paddling, and once on a wave, ride it steering with the paddle.

It does take a little time learning how not to over compensate or how not to under compensate using the combination of the pedal positions with the paddle to keep the kayak gliding straight in the wind and waves. You don't always have to use a full pedal stroke, leaving more fin deeper in the water. You can also change up paddle steering control depending whether you use more of a horizontal stroke or more of a power vertical stroke.

I'd really like to see what speed the adventure can do with the large pedal mast fins paddling and pedaling. Anyone know how fast they can cover a mile in?
Author:  Apalach [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Adventure Rental
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I'll have to call them to set up a rental and take the Adventure down to St. Marks for a spin. Want me to give you call when I'm over that way?


Definitely Rny--sounds like a plan! Wilderness Way: 850-877-7200. With regard to the camera, get yourself one of those great Pelican waterproof cases. I got mine for a small digicam at Wilderness Way. I have mine lashed to the outside of my ice chest and carry it inside until needed. I then pull on the leash and drop it in my lap to remove the camera. But the case and camera are small enough that I can carry both in either the front pocket of my PFD or in the gunwale tray. If I plan to use the camera a fair amount, I will stick it in a Ziploc in the front pocket of my fishing shirt or in my PFD pocket temporarily.

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Author:  AlohaDan [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:35 pm ]
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Thanks to vivian on the kfs site.

See this video of a guy practicing the yak stroke on an ergonometer.{IMHO paddle stroke is not vertical enough}

http://www.pogies.com/speedstroke/html/index.htm

Once you have studied the rearview click on the "Speedstroke" link in the center and see the 3/4 frontal with the leg movement. I was unaware yak paddlers had such leg movement. Might not be too far off then getting a paddle/peddle technique down.

Some serious discussion of stroke technique on KFS BTW under "Technique" thread. Worth reading.
Author:  Rnykster [ Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:17 pm ]
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Apalach wrote:
Definitely Rny--sounds like a plan! Wilderness Way: 850-877-7200. With regard to the camera, get yourself one of those great Pelican waterproof cases. I got mine for a small digicam at Wilderness Way. I have mine lashed to the outside of my ice chest and carry it inside until needed.
Hi Apalach. Found an Adventure locally and tried it out this weekend. The experience put to end my desire to buy it any time soon.

Little 6" waves from the side were getting me wet. I'm too used to the high and dry ride of the Outback. The Adventure would be a perfect kayak for inland rivers where you don't have to deal with wind driven waves. It isn't so good in the open waters for someone like me who wants to stay dry.

Cruising speed was about a mile an hour faster in the Adventure, but top end speeds for a mile sprint were about the same. The hull got water in it, so the water issues have not been addressed yet. Everything about the Adventure leads to wetness, which is not a good thing in association with a camera, which I did get a plastic case for.

Nope, I'd rather have my slower comfortable dry (except for the inside) Outback SUV rather than suffer from the trickle down effect of Wet Butt syndrome associated with the Adventure. Hehehe.

If you really want a kayak built for speed and don't mind getting wet, check out the Foilkayak.
http://www.foilkayak.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=2
Author:  Apalach [ Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:01 pm ]
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Hey Rny,
I gotta simple (and cheap) solution to your wet ride problems. Go to your local Wally World and get a set of their waterproof (and breathable) Stearns dry pants, as well as one of their Stearns dry (and breathable) jackets. Extremely reasonable--I think $19.88 for the pants and $29.99 for the jacket. Good stuff for either the BigA or your OB! Bnz put me on to the pants, and I got the jacket also which is extremely light weight but also a great windproof early morning chill preventer. I roll it up and it fits in my Hobie seat pocket very nicely. And it IS waterproof! I wear the pants routinely now and they too keep the wind and chill (as well as fish mucus and water) off during the day.
Author:  Rnykster [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:49 pm ]
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Apalach wrote:
Hey Rny, I gotta simple (and cheap) solution to your wet ride problems. And it IS waterproof! I wear the pants routinely now and they too keep the wind and chill (as well as fish mucus and water) off during the day.
That would take care of the wet butt, but what about all my equipment, gear, and toys? I just can't see having to seal everything to cross a hundred yard river because there are 6 inch waves. I'll stick with my Outback until they work out more of the bugs with the Adventure.
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