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Author: | SJack [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Hobie Outback rudder question |
After doing all the research, I really want an Outback. It will mainly be used for fishing. I already have an outfitter and a sport, bought about 5 years ago. I have a question about the new Outback rudder. The Outfiitter and the Sport have two different rudder folding systems, and I really like the Outfitter folding rudder, it's a much better build, much sturdier, and easier to manupulate. What's the rudder like on the Outback compared to Outfitter and Sport? Also, at 28 kilos, can you folks car top it on your own? |
Author: | LazyLefty [ Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
The outback being my first and only hobie I cannot compare the rudder system to other boats. The outback rudder functions well with only the occasional hangup on the hook for the hold down bungee. I did upgrade it to the sailing rudder very quickly because it allows for so much quicker of a turn. I cartop mine on the top of my buick lesabre all the time. It is heavy and awkward but if you have a strong back you can do it. I've even carried it as far as 50-60 yards to a dock. Balanced it on top of my shoulder on its side. I don't own wheels because in all other instances I have been able to pull up to the docks or drag the boat on clean grass surfaces. |
Author: | SJack [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
to be more specific, the Sport doesn't have the twist and stow rudder that the Outfitter has, it's just a raise/lower machanism. Does the Outback have the twist and stow, or just the raise/lower rudder? |
Author: | SJack [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
I'm answering my own question. It looks like all Hobie Kayaks now have the twist and stow rudders. What do I need to know about these rudders? |
Author: | Thinwater skinner [ Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
Twist and stow rudder is the best way to go. I car top the outback and I am 61 years old. or should I say young? Good Luck |
Author: | SJack [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
can I retrofit twist and stow in place of a lower/raise on a Sport? |
Author: | Scott [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
There is no retrofit from the old to the new. The ends of the kayak are molded differently. |
Author: | photo01a [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
Everything is a trade off. I have just "upgraded" to a brand new Outback from an older model. The older rudder on the outbacks just moved up and down and, in very shallow water or heavy weeds, was far superior to the lift and stow rudder in that it just lifted up when you went over something very shallow, or lifting it up released the weeds or released it from the weeds and you could keep moving forward. The new rudder system causes the kayak to come to a complete halt and also moves it sideways when you raise the rudder to release it from heavy weeds. Also the new Outback, with a slightly flatter bottom (giving it more initial stability), needs a larger rudder than the old model. Hobie should sell the Outback with a larger rudder included instead of charging extra for one. With the "standard" rudder, it is impossible for the Outback to be a hands free peddling experience as you have to keep one hand on the rudder control at all times. Maybe a larger rudder will correct that and Hobie should give one to all Outback users instead of charging for it. The older Outback had a different hull design and tracked better even with the smaller rudder and one could have both hands free to eat or cast, fish, and peddle at the same time. |
Author: | sunday [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
Amen on the 'newer' stow and go design forcing the kayak to veer if you try to raise it while moving to get rid of collected weeds. The square 'notch' on the front side of the blade also catches weeds. Dear Dear Hobie, Would like to see that notch gone and an optional rudder blade that was more swept back so that it was less prone to catch weeds in weedy water. The swept back profile would also allow you to shimmy the rudder a bit to help weeds slip off the swept-back profile, instead of the current solution which is to raise the rudder. |
Author: | photo01a [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
Re: "With the "standard" rudder, it is impossible for the Outback to be a hands free peddling experience as you have to keep one hand on the rudder control at all times. Maybe a larger rudder will correct that and Hobie should give one to all Outback users instead of charging for it. The older Outback had a different hull design and tracked better even with the smaller rudder and one could have both hands free to eat or cast, fish, and peddle at the same time." Well, I now have the larger (sailing) rudder and it helps a little bit, but the new Outback still does not let you move and fish (or eat or drink) hands free. The "hands free" feature was lost with the new mold and I have discovered that it is a hull design that does not allow "hands free" peddling. The older Outbacks had a long area in the water for the rudder to work with. The new design has a flatter bottom and the only real sideways control is way up at the verticle bow (front) down in the water. It acts like a skag on a surf board, only it is on the wrong end. Imagine paddling a surf board backwards with the skag down in the water in the front. That is the problem with the new Outback design and why many have said you can not go hands free with the Outback. Yes, I now have to keep my left hand on the rudder control almost all the time, even with the larger rudder, and that sucks. |
Author: | Dr.SteelheadCatcher [ Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hobie Outback rudder question |
If you are a fisherman like me, one major benefit of the sailing rudder on the Outback is when using a down rigger......the additional drag of the cable, weight, line and lure is negated by the larger sailing rudder. If you used the standard rudder, the Outback will not track as desired...it will "pull" to the side the outrigger hardware is deployed...the deeper you down rig, the more the pull off course......add some wind and you quickly give up using the down rigger. |
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