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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:29 pm 
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Jcanracer wrote:
but what I am wondering is, why the hell this thing is designed with one proper handle and one floppy handle. It makes balanced lifting difficult and I hope they correct this on the next revision of the Outback. I see they corrected a similar issue between the old Sport and the 2014 revision.


I agree that the handle design on the Outback is odd. I like the handles on the Revolution. They're comfortable to use when moving the kayak, they are well positioned for hanging onto while pedaling, they don't stick out beyond the side of the kayak, and they provide a convenient rest for a downrigger ball.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:11 pm 
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pmmpete wrote:
The Thule Hulavator is a cool idea, but $600 per kayak is more than I'm willing to pay to get a kayak on top of my vehicle. Until I get too old and decrepit to lift one end of a kayak, I'll stick with my current system, which involves putting a towel (about $3.00 at Walmart) on the back of my vehicle.

Jcanracer wrote:
I have seen this alternate handle placement, I will look into that some more.
The Hullavator is indeed a cool system, but too costly for me!


Yeah, Hullavators seem expensive until you drop your kayak and rip the side view mirror off your car. Fortunately hasn't happened to me, but it has to plenty of others.

My old OK Scrambler was light and my old '98 Jeep GC relatively low, so I could just press it up there. The Outback on a 2010 Toyota 4Runner, that wasn't happening. I tried a variety of ways and while I could do it, it always left me pushing things to the limit and I knew it was only a matter of time before I had a catastrophic event, so I decided to spend the money on the Hullavator before I was spending it on body work.

Now that I have it, best money I spent. I get a lot more use out of my kayak since it is so much easier to load the tie down.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:14 am 
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I agree with you..... The handles are not at the CG point. It does make it awkward to carry for any distance
After looking at a lot of roof racks we purchased the Yakima system with the loading Bar extender
Simple and cost effective. We have a Mitsubishi Montaro and loading both Outbacks by myself is easy
My wife just watches. I also use a rubber backed entrance mat turned upside down. I place one end (the bow) of the kayak on this while I lift up the other end onto the loading bar

We just put our Outbacks in the water for the first time two days ago. On both kayaks the pedals hit the right side foot wells. The pedals are adjusted to 7. My wife and I both are rather tall. So, when we are pedaling the pedal / drive kicks to the left each time the right pedal is forward. Not only is it noisy, I also think it will eventually damage the hull and the drive system

I called the dealer and they said they have never heard of this.

Any suggestions would be appreciated


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:45 am 
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Mossimo wrote:
The handles are not at the CG point. It does make it awkward to carry for any distance


You will find that there is no consistent CG that can be used for handle placement... for carrying. Best to hold one handle and the rail on the opposite side. You can move the rail-hand fore and aft to balance for wind, gear placement, paddle placement, changes in tilt angle... all throw off the CG.

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On both kayaks the pedals hit the right side foot wells. The pedals are adjusted to 7.


Yes, can happen when you "pedal to the metal". You will discover that reducing the length of the stroke, so not hitting the "stops" will solve the issue and be quite and fast. Be sure the drive is fully locked into the click and go levers. If tilted to one side this can be a problem. You might consider adding a shim under one lock... to tilt the drive back to center line.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:07 pm 
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Hey Matt, I'll buy another Outback when you revise the handles and the hull/bow design to minimize hull slap (like you did with the Sport). I have faith you guys at Hobie will do [at least one of the two] in the next few years. Just saying...


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