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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:41 pm 
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Hello All,
I have a n 89 H18 and absolutely love it! I mostly single hand my boat and #1 have an issue with lifting my daggers, they go down nice and easy but when down It is very difficult to pull them back up. they seem to bind fore and aft. I have read some threads about some dagger wells with an anti friction velcro type liner in the dagger wells which my boat has never had since I have owned it (7 yrs). Can anyone confirm or post a pic of the placement and what to purchase to alleviate my issue? I have tried more and less tension on the bungee cords but even with bungee totally loose still hard to get back up. #2 while sailing on a reach my jib flutters at the foot and I have tried every variation of traveler adjustments and cant seem to make it go away, Is a stock Hobie jib and seems to be in good shape, any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:54 am 
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There are some topics on the forum with regards to daggers, but placement is at the top front of the well, and bottom rear of the daggerboard well. The biggest thing I've found is technique, pulling forward and up rather than just straight up. I have put Velcro on mine, and it helped but was eaten up pretty quickly. A friend of mine is utilizing some neoprene and 5200 and is pretty happy with it.


Your jib sounds like it's either worn, or you may have too much foot tension. You can play with it on the beach(without too much wind) and just manually grab the tackplate and pull down, pull back, and pull down and back at various places to see how to trim the sail. You want even tension leach and foot. The shape of the H18 jib is such that you can crank on the foot and create a flap, I think this will only happen when the sail is a bit worn out, still usable and maybe cosmetic, but has lost some of its shape holding potential.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:26 pm 
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For the dagger boards, it sounds like either technique or you have "fat" dagger boards. It seems that there is quite a bit of variation on the H18 dagger board widths and some are considerably thicker than others. This can cause binding in the trunk. I would try to see where the board is hitting. Maybe you can grind out a little of the gelcoat either on the board, the well, or both. Otherwise, indoor/outdoor carpeting on the sides of the trunk makes good shims. The other two contact points are the top front of the trunk and bottom rear of the trunk. If you make the top front too slippery, the boards may not stay up. I use the little rubber strips that Hobie sells in the front of the trunk. Otherwise, I would check your technique. As stated, it is not a straight pull upwards to get the board up. You have to cock the leading edge back slightly and then pull up.

As far as the jib is concerned, fluttering on the foot would be an indication that the jib is blown out. The only time an otherwise good H18 jib might flutter on the foot is in very high wind when you have the sheet cranked in hard going upwind. The very early H18 jibs had an issue with fluttering at the foot, but we're talking jibs from the '70s. There's really no way to tune out the fluttering. You either need to replace the jib, have your current jib re-cut, or just live with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:07 pm 
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I've never really had a problem with my daggerboards, unless sand or pebbles get stuck in the dagger wells (rare occasion for me, as I don't beach my boat).

I agree with srm and moncasta, if the jib flutters no matter how you adjust the fairlead position (the "traveller" for the jib blocks) or the sheet tension, the jib is pretty worn out. New sail material is crisp, like a new pair of jeans; worn out sails start to feel like bedsheets and don't hold their shape as well. That doesn't mean you can't still sail with it and get some good use out of it, just that it's harder to shape and therefore not performing quite as efficiently as a new sail would.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:33 pm 
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Thanks for the help guys will update when I get it worked out.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:11 pm 
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Ok, I purchased another jib and no more flutter, and for the dagger issue turned out to be fat daggers, sanded them down and refinished them added some felt strips to the contact points in the dagger well and now move nice and smooth with little effort when I want to pull them up.
Thanks for the help, so happy now!


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