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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:36 pm 
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Has anyone seen an instruction book or web page on sailing with a spinnaker on a Hobie 16? I ordered my Hobie with the spinnaker kit and the dealer installed it. I have not the experience yet to use it but in the mean time I would like to research the finer points. All I got with the kit was one page with a schematic for routing the sheets. :?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:16 pm 
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I've never seen a H16 with a spin. What things are you looking for? Rigging or using it?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:41 pm 
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Using it. I bought a new Hobie 16 and had them throw in all of the options I could get. the spinnaker was one of them.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:54 pm 
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Awesome, a 16 with a spinnaker is so wild! I have seen a few with them but couldn't give you any tips on how to deploy it.

I have seen a bunch of youtube videos of 16s with spinnakers and from memory a few of them show the crew deploying them, and taking them in.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:35 am 
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it will work like any spin with a trumpet. I had one for a few years it was fun, made high wind down wind sailing easier, lifted the bows.

go as the guys in the tiger section, however Karl has already extended an offer so I'd take it an run with it!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:00 am 
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Spinnaker instructions for both standard and snuffer are on the support pages:

http://www.hobiecat.com/support

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:52 am 
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First off I’m no pro at running a chute. I’m getting better, but anything reading this should feel free to point out any mistakes. As Brad said, the F18/Tiger forum would be a good place for your questions as well. Running the spinnaker isn’t nearly as a black art as many believe.
The main sail acts as a backstay for the mast, so main sheet tension is critical when the spinnaker is full, and this especially important with a comp-tip mast.
I’m assuming that there is only one line for hoisting and retrieving the spinnaker. When making my turn downwind I keep tension on the main and dump the traveler, trying to shadow the spinnaker as much as possible while hoisting it. Also this should help keep your speed up while the crew is hoisting. Keeping yourself pointed downwind, you don’t want to go too deep and gybe either. While transitioning this can make for a whole bunch of issues. With the way the snuffer is orientated you will want the wind coming from the right, it can be done on the other tack, but it is just a bit easier when on starboard. Same goes with retrieving and snuffing the spinnaker. The crew needs to release the downhaul when you are making the turn as well. Between the downhaul, mainsheet tension, and the spinnaker pulling on the mast, it can make it do some weird bends it shouldn’t be doing. For the crew when hoisting, pull, pull, pull! Getting it up as quickly as possible makes things easier, when the spin starts to fill, there is a lot of tension on the halyard making that last little bit hard to get. Use a Sharpie, and mark the spin halyard somewhere around the cleat so you have a reference when it is completely up. On the FXone I hoist on my knees, but that is only because I’m holding the tiller with my ankles and steering a bit. F18’s that I’ve crewed on I was standing while hoisting. I’m guessing that the H16 spinnaker isn’t as big, so it probably won’t take the same amount of effort to raise as the F18. A lot of F18’s have moved the spin halyard cleat to the mast as well, so standing is easier.
Spin is up. At this point you should sheet in the main traveler. I run mine centered. You should be a step ahead of the crew and be pulling in the traveler just before, or slightly ahead of the crew sheeting in the spinnaker. When the spinnaker is properly sheeted the leading edge of the sail is on the verge of folding over and collapsing. When I first started I was way over sheeting the spinnaker and it wasn’t working the way it should. When the crew is sheeted in, turn the boat slowly up wind. As the hull starts to rise, (assuming it’s not from a puff), turn downwind slowly. You want to keep the windward hull just barely out of the water. In lighter conditions the crew will be on the low side of the boat to help promote this. Because of apparent wind the main sail actually thinks it is going up wind. I don’t do it on the FXone because I’ve got my hands full, but you can sheet the main to get the tell tails flowing properly. I don’t know with the jib if you want to travel out, sheet out, or a combination of the two. My guess would be to sheet out just a little bit to open the slot between the jib and the main sail. Running with the chute, unless you’ve got very consistent wind direction and strength, you should always be making slow “Sâ€


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:45 am 
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You will love it!
A little good "upgrade" is a small block on a rubberline that lifts the spi halyard out of the cleat ..then it wont jam in the middle of at downtake.

we also change the standard rubberline/block that holds the spi halyard to the aft crossbar ,and put on a longer one that runs under the tramp -al the way to the dolphin striker.it gives the halyard line more room to play with.

when i gybe ,i leave the main and dive under! no sheeting out ..then i dont capzise(so much)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:17 am 
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Karl,

I copied and pasted your post into a word doc and saved it for future reference. It is the most I have seen written on flying a spinnaker. I really apreciate the advice you give there. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:47 am 
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I was hoping someone would point out any of the short comings and misinformation as well. Or if they just had better tactics.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:26 pm 
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so in a nut shell it is impossible to run a spin without a crew....cause i sail solo and have always been fasicanted with them


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:34 pm 
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No, I do it singlehanded, but I don't have a jib to contend with on the FXone. I've never succeeded at righting a H16 singlehanded either, but I'm skinny.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:43 am 
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I have sailed a hobie 16 with a spin for a couple of years. Its a real buzz and gives the boat a whole new lease of life.

I would not even try to drop the spin on the port tack... it always ends in tears for me.

I do use the main traveller much more than the main sheet, and generally about 4-6 inches out. Important to keep the mainsheet tight to hold the mast.

It really pulls the bow up, it can actually be underwater for a few seconds and recover. I find that the more I gain confidence, the further forward I put my weight. It competes with a Nacra 16 sq with a spin on a broad reach.

One of the best things I bought!!


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:14 am 
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I finally feel confident enough in my sailing abilities to give the spinaker a try. I'll be taking the Hobie 16 to Lake Tahoe in July and will try it out then. My brother will be there and he is an experienced mono-slug sailor so I will grab him for my crew.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:48 pm 
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I just put a spinnaker on my 16 and even though I don't have much experience with the h16 yet (only a few months) I can tell you that it is certainly possible to single handily sail with the spinnaker and jib with no problems. Just spent some time getting your lines organized nicely before heading out and be aware that it takes some strength to the the spinnaker back in the snuffer sometimes.

The hardest part of using the spinnaker is figuring out how to put it together with those outdated illusive hobie instructions!

Best of luck and have fun!


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