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Author:  Rocko [ Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:45 am ]
Post subject:  Tacking in heavy weather

Nigel,

Thanks for the tip I will try staying out on the wing at the rear till she tip s over if I have to.

I will Log on next week and tell you how I went.

What sort of mast rake for heavy weather would you suggest for me at 95 Kilos.

Did the jib make much differenc eto your speed and tacking

Rocko

Author:  MauganH17 [ Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:14 am ]
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Rake as much as you can until you either:

A) get leehelm (meaning you have to start pushing the stick to keep it in a straigh line) or

B) Until your blocks get less than 3" apart when sheeted on a close haul.

this is the rule thats worked for me for years. Also when you're tacking don't forgot to let out some sheet to let the sail "pop" over.

Author:  mmiller [ Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Anatomy of a Tack

Anatomy of a Tack
Rick White‘s Roll Tack, Illustrated by Bob Mimlitch
1. If not close hauled, come up to a close hauled course (traveler in and main sheeted hard).
2. Insure your speed is up prior to initiating a tack. Don‘t pinch.
3. Insure you are clear of traffic and will remain clear during your tack.
4. Alert the crew and await their response indicating that they are Ready to tack.
5. Push the tiller smoothly and move to the rear windward corner.
6. Crew moves to the rear, uncleats and holds the jib while removing slack from the lazy sheet.
7. As the jib starts to luff, feed out sheet and fly the jib across keeping it flowing as it goes.
8. At the same time the crew takes the lazy sheet and moves across and forward sheeting the jib.
9. As the boat comes head to wind the skipper releases 2 feet of main sheet (more for unirigs).
10. Continue increasing the rudder angle and turn beyond the desired new course.
11. Straighten the rudders, pass the tiller across, move across and forward taking excess sheet.
12. Foot to accelerate and trim the sails.
13. Shift gears (with sail shape) as you accelerate and come up to optimum course.
14. Balance the boat and take care of general housekeeping.

Author:  MauganH17 [ Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:56 am ]
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Just an observation.

I just spend 4 days sailing in 15-20knot breezes in 3-4 foot waves with another body on my 17. We tried roll tacking, but in these conditions, without the jib, it is simply impossible to do. The 17 bleeds momentum to quickly to get her nose through the wind fast enough, plus, getting two people to the other side of the tramp is nigh impossible with that boom in the way. With the jib its nearly idiot proof. You wont win any races like that, but at least you'll go where you're trying to get to.

Point is:

one person - no jib (better pointing ability and not pushing down bows)
two people - jib (sacrifices pointing for more speed, makes tacking through chop a breeze)

Author:  vicatman [ Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:53 pm ]
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you just have to get use to tacking in conditions like that,,thats the norm here....15-20 2-4ft seas....we had 15-20kts winds for 3 months straight and I was out 2-3 times a week,,,you get use to it

Author:  MauganH17 [ Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:33 am ]
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I was just noting that without the jib, those conditions are difficult to navigate in.

Author:  vicatman [ Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:51 am ]
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you have to really know the boat and pay extra attention to what you are doing...I do it all the time but then thats what Im use to.....

Author:  MauganH17 [ Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:28 pm ]
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You're also not sailing a 17... you're on a FX-one that has MUCH deeper boards, and less weight.

Author:  vicatman [ Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:36 pm ]
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yeah thats true but then Im a lot heavier to...so that counter balances the lighter weight of the FX,,,,, :P

Author:  MauganH17 [ Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:06 am ]
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it has more to do with the shape of your boards and bows than your weight. Plus, I don't think you weight 350lbs (me and my friend put together)

Author:  vicatman [ Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:50 pm ]
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you sail yours 2 man.??.....welllll come on down and I'll show you how to roll tack in heavy air.....

Author:  MauganH17 [ Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:22 am ]
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When I have friends around I do.

I can tack it in any weather solo, just getting the weight where it needs to be with two people on board with that friggin boom is a pain in the ass.

Author:  Jim Glanden [ Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:37 am ]
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Tacking the 17 in alot of air and big seas is a problem. When you start the tack from the wing make sure you are up to speed and look for the flatest spot on the water you can find. I come in as I'm pushing the tiller over, get rid of the trap and focus on the main cleat. You are in a race with the bows of the boat. You have to get to that cleat as the bows get head to wind. If you are too late the main is like a weather vane and holds you in the wind, irons. Once the main is uncleated I drop the travler down about 18" and that helps the boat come around. Once I'm on the other tack I soft cleat the main and bring the travler back to the original position and bring the main in as you get back on the trap. It is a slow tack, but faster than backing winding the main.

Author:  Benge [ Tue May 04, 2004 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  Tacking

The problem is that the boat wants to stay pointed into the wind. In heavy air. I think oftem times the rig is raked to far back. If you have been on a sail board you learn that leaning the sail back makes the boat point. If the mast is forward the boat turns down wind. So don't rake it to far back. Get your main un cleated just before going head to wind or it will keep you there. Don't stall the boat with your rudders. Dive a little deeper than you would like get some boat speed befor trying to point high.

Author:  DougHobie17 [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Tacking

There is a whole chapter in Catamaran Racing for the 90's by Carlton Tucker. Very helpful for a newbie. You MUST let out a lot of sheet as you go head to wind. Once I learned this I did a lot better. :)

Good Luck,

Doug

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