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 Post subject: Change from H16 to H17
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:16 pm 
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Hi :D ,
I am sailing with my 1982 H16 and the hulls of it are deliminating...seriously, currently there are one 1987 H17S (condition is good) for sale, I am thinking to change from my current one to the H17S, however, there are a few questions a want to seek for advice, your enlightenment is appreciate, thanks!

1. Does the H17S more powerful than the H16? (My weight only ~130 pound, luckily/unluckily, my area have only light wind <below 10 knots>), I afraid it is impossible for me to recover from capsize (as i have a light crew also, so total crew weight is below 300 pounds) (Also, I would think the wing seat would be a barrier for me to receover from capsize).

2. Considering the speed, is it (H17S) similar to the H16?

3. Is it easy to maintenance? Spare parts easy to sort out?

Thanks in advance~

Henry
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:01 am 
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I went from a 14 to a 16 and sailed a friends 18 often - more than he did. I picked up a 17 two years ago from a friend who is a parapalegic -no use of lower body from vehicle accident. HE used to sail the 17 by himself and owned a 16 before that 8) The point is that I think it is a GREAT one person boat and, with a light crew, can handle 2. I am a short 5'6" fat 155 lbs guy and I can get it back up myself using either the solo-upright system or a bucket or both. The wings don't really impede your abililty to flop back upright.

I very successfully defended my title as KING OF THE LAKE (which is only in my mind of course :roll: ) against a couple of 16's last year. I think the guys on the 16s were pretty good sailors too, but I was able to take them on pretty well. So, power? I don't know but I feel that the 17 is as fast with one sail as the 16. Anyone else know?

Parts is parts as they say. I recently replaced my standing rigging and a couple parts of my boom right out of the catalog. I don't know if the 17 is still in production though and, if not, parts will get harder to find.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:01 pm 
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Thanks..

Do you sail H17SE, or H17S ?

I am going to a conclusion that the H17S, compare to the H16, is a bit more powerful, a bit more comfortable, and a bit easier rigging up.

I am going to check the boat this Saturday, hope it is as good as what I saw from the photos.

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Henry
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(because all other boats are in front) :wink:


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 Post subject: Not sure
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:47 am 
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I know this sounds really dumb but I don't know which model it is. I am not sure it is either one. It is a 1979 (but has been stored for the last 10 years in a barn) I don't have a jib, I have a full boom, EPO's and Neil Pryde sails. Does that mean anything? :oops:

Good luck on yours, I don't think you'll go wrong if you usually sail single-handed I think this is the boat to have.

Happy Sails! 8)

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 Post subject: correction
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:52 am 
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I think it is a 1989 not a '79 :oops: :oops: Funny, but I don't really care all of a sudden. My brain hurts :roll: :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:07 pm 
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My understanding is:

H17SE have 1 main sail with a boom.
H17S have 1 jib & 1 main sail, without boom.

The H17S I am going to look at is a mix of the 2, H17S with boom... :shock:

Thanks for advising :D :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:27 am 
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too bad...............
the boat was sold before i went to take an inspection................


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:08 am 
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Im lookin UP too........a 17 or 18.. Does the 17 centerboards retract automatically or are they sheared off? How about the 18? For the summer im in a shallow lake and frequently run aground without notice...


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 Post subject: folding dagger boards
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:41 am 
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good morning zingaro-
The dagger boards swing into the keel.

As for "running aground without notice" not sure if we can help there. Would you prefer a written note (Dear Zingaro, Please be aware that y ou are about to run aground. Yours, King Neptune) or a phone call ("Hello Zingaro, This is King Neptune. I would like to inform you that you are about to run aground. For further information press 1...) before you run aground? :wink: :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:10 am 
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The 17 was introduced in 1985 and the hull form is essentially a cut down version of the Hobie 18. The wings and sail material (mylar/dacron taffeta) were quite radical in their day.

The centerboards retract into the hulls - they look like a pie wedge when down. They are spring-loaded, so they will "retract" if they hit something, but since the rudders extend further, they hit first.

Re: 17 vs 16
The 17 (and I'm talking the original 17 (now called 17SE)) is underpowered in lighter winds compared to a 16. In heavy air, though, it will beat almost anything (including an A Cat) to weather. It is definitely a one-person boat, since getting underneath the boom in a tack or jibe is, at best, crowded.

That's why the 17 Sport (17S) doesn't have a boom. It was a way to broaden the market for the boat. However, the boat performs best with a crew weight of 150 - 180 lbs. 160 lbs is minimum for racing (17SE).


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:27 pm 
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Finally I purchased a Hobie 18 SX with wings, and is going to sail her back to the club that i join this weekend .. 8)


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:31 am 
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I'm a little late on this one, but I sailed a 1979 H16 for over 20 years before changing to a 2000 H17Sport in 2002. In general the 17 is a faster, though wetter, boat. It sails very well in higher winds (15-25 mph) and the sport does OK in the lighter stuff (in real light wind the 16 may be as fast, if not a little faster). The 17 is much more difficult to pichpole, but because of the wings, will not fly as high as the 16 without significant drag. As far as righting the boat, I'm over 200 lbs (and over 50 yrs old) and still use a righting bag for righting. 8)


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 Post subject: Squaretop
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:34 am 
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Although not class legal, if you want GREAT performance in light air, get a squaretop for your 17. I LOVE mine. You can move in the slightest of breezes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:28 am 
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I am going to replace my mainsail w. the new one. Love to hear advice in regards to what to buy (I am not racing), price and where to get new main. I have Hobie 17, y. 1990.


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 Post subject: Super R
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:43 am 
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Bob106_99:

I would get one of the Super R Pentex from these guys. Two of my friends have gotten sails from them and they do have sales at times also. I would get the Pentex. I have one on mine along with a custom cut Pentex 190 sq ft reacher and it FLIES!!!!!. I have some photos I can send later. The $1200 price is about right as I paid $1050 for mine about 4 years ago. You will see big difference in speed and in light air and with the reacher the Portsmouth number are great if you race.
If you need more info call me or email me.

http://www.whirlwindsails.com/


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