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 Post subject: Adding a jib to my H 17
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:15 pm 
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Can anyone give me input and or photos to help with the details of adding a jib sail to my H 17? I have a jib, roller furling hardware and jib sheets, but could use some input on the wire pulley at the top. Do I leave my current forestay in place or replace it entirely with the jib wire? Any links to advise on how to do it right?


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 Post subject: Photos
PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:25 pm 
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Rex:

Here are some photos of the stock (purple) systema dn the new reacher I have added. Do you have the meatla bow foil? The halyard is different than the SE and has a swivel where the jib blcok attaches.

http://www.thebeachcats.com/modules.php ... _album.php

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 Post subject: Manual
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:41 am 
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Take a look for the manual in the support area. Support link above then sailboat support. Scroll down the listings of available downloads to the 17 section. The 17 Sport has a jib.

http://www.hobiecat.com/support/index.html

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 Post subject: Stock Jib
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:18 am 
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Rex:

You will not be happy with the stock jib. Have someone cut you a custom reacher. Mine is about 60 sq ft. I will try to have my local sailmaker get specs this week from mine.

Doug


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:46 am 
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Rex,

I recently acuired a 17 someone was trying to add the jib on and sell it as a sport. The sport has a different headstay tang and the forestay does not match up length wise. I don't know if the shrouds are the same length on the sport. I have sent an email to support and have not gotten an answer.
I have already dropped the mast back to acomodate the longer forestay but it it will not be enough.

Nick :?:

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 Post subject: Help
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:10 pm 
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Nick:

The shrouds should be the same. The whole bridle system is different on a Sport vs SE. The SE is like a inverted Y. The Sport has a metal foil with roller furler mounted on it and a bridle with a swivel at top and a pulley jib halyard system. If confused call me. You can tell a little by these photos.

http://www.thebeachcats.com/modules.php ... _album.php
Just doulbe clcik on photos to make them biggerr

Doug
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 Post subject: Tang
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:10 pm 
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The 17 tang location is the same for Sport and SE versions. The original shackle hole location is used when setting the location for the Sport Tang.

The shrouds are the same length for both boats.

The forestays are very different and including the bow spreader, forestay and upper pigtail, they should work fine.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:21 am 
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Matt,


If the shrouds are the same length? What hole are you using for the side adjustment?

I am trying to get an idea of the mast rake difference between the SE and the Sport.

I also race DN's and we use around 70 degrees of mast rake but you will lose down wind ability with excess aft rake in a DN.


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 Post subject: Shrouds
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:01 pm 
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Nick:

I usually go in the 4-5th hole from the top when I run as a Sport and 5th when I run SE.

Doug


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 Post subject: Reacher of Hobie 17
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:38 pm 
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Guys:

If you want a reacher like mine here it is:

Doug


This is the quote for the reacher you were asking about. I'll leave
the paperwork as an attached file, so feel free to forward this
message to whomever is interested.

Tri Radial Jib proposal:

Dimension P2MX Polyester Laminate
Sail Area 78sqft
I 17.2
J 8.43
LP 100%

Price with or without battens: $700

Get in touch with me if you or anyone is interested! We can have the
complete sail shipped easily within three to four weeks.

Kevin Taylor
Sail Consultant
UK/Halsey Sailmakers - Texas
972-693-3155
uktexas@uksailmakers.com


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:19 am 
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I am thinking about adding jib to my h17 as well. In Hobie catalog they have "17 Sport Jib Hardware Kit (with spreader)" part # 52995610 but is expensive ($809.00) and one have to order jib separately. Is there any other (less expensive) way to do the conversion?


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 Post subject: All here
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:59 am 
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Bob:

Everything you need is in the Super H-17 kit at bottom of page for $860.
http://www.murrays.com/archive/41.pdf
Mount the blocks track 18" off rear crossbar as my pics shows.

http://www.thebeachcats.com/modules.php ... _album.php

Reacher is $700.
Tri Radial Jib proposal:

Dimension P2MX Polyester Laminate
Sail Area 78sqft
I 17.2
J 8.43
LP 100%

Price with or without battens: $700

Get in touch with me if you or anyone is interested! We can have the
complete sail shipped easily within three to four weeks.

Kevin Taylor
Sail Consultant
UK/Halsey Sailmakers - Texas
972-693-3155
uktexas@uksailmakers.com

It is STILL cheaper that getting a Hooter or pole spinnaker setup and won't brek your mast. I am goin on 6Years and no problems. Use spectra for reacher halyard instead of wire though.

Doug


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:51 am 
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Doug,
I appreciate your answer, but I think we are going wrong direction :? . Hobie catalog offers conversion kit for $809.00 which is cheaper. I don't understand why should I "mount the blocks track 18" off rear crossbar" as I want to add a jib only and don't want to do anything with my main setup.


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 Post subject: Jib
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:06 pm 
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Bob:

Does the $809 kit come with two harken hexarachets and two 18" tracks? Or just swivel cleats, like the stock Sport setup. I did a lot of research on this before I bought. Look at my pics on the link I sent you. The reacher is twice the size of the stock jib, Trust me I went with the stock jib first. In my opinion (Sorry Hobie) it is useless. The reacher overlaps the main a LOT. That is the reason the tracks are mounted on the tramp track 18" off the rear crossbar. Bob Curry (Hall of Fame uni sailor) set this up for me. He has a lot of experience with this setup racing Portsmouth.

http://www.thebeachcats.com/modules.php ... _photo.php

I just want to see you get the best setup and not waste money.

Doug


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:13 am 
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Doug,
I think I"ll go with your suggestion and get a reacher. Would you post its dimensions?

Thanks, Bob


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