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 Post subject: repair delamination
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:09 pm 
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Hi

I have a old hobiecat 14 and are soft, I know which products I can use since in my pais Venezuela little variety exists, the problem is the delamination?

thanks, excuse my badly english


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 Post subject: Re: repair delamination
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:25 pm 
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Jose Javier wrote:
Hi

I have a old hobiecat 14 and are soft, I know which products I can use since in my pais Venezuela little variety exists, the problem is the delamination?

thanks, excuse my badly english


Voy a tratar de ayudarte en español pero creo que mi español es peor que tu ingles. ;)

Muchos veces quando los (hulls) son suaves (soft? lol ) delamination es la problema. Hay unos cosas que puedes tratar que arreglar esta problema.

* Puedes instalar unos "inspection ports" encima de los hulls para revisar el interior de los hulls. Si puedes ver areas que se mira *dañados / delaminated* tienes que secar todo el interior del hull. Cuando es bien seca, puedes usar marine epoxy (www.westsystem.com) y possiblemente bidirectional fiberglass para arreglar las problemas.

Si la problema es peor, es possible que vas a tener que removar el gelcoat en el area de la problema y removar el fiberglass dñado, lijar mucho y poner unos capas nuevas de fiberglass. Probablamente quieres usar unidirectional fiberglass para el interior y bidirectional fiberglass para uno o dos capas en el exterior. Despues puedes poner gelcoat nuevo para hacer el barco mirar bonito otra ves.

Espero que me puedes entender. :)

Jaime


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 Post subject: Re: repair delamination
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:12 pm 
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Gracias, si te puedo entender a la perfección, pero me quedan otras preguntas, que luego are, gracias


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 Post subject: Re: repair delamination
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:51 am 
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Jose Javier wrote:
Gracias, si te puedo entender a la perfección, pero me quedan otras preguntas, que luego are, gracias


Si te puedo ayudar, tratare. :)

Oh, y cuando dijé...
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Probablamente quieres usar unidirectional fiberglass para el interior y bidirectional fiberglass para uno o dos capas en el exterior.

...queria decir que el unidirectional fiberglass debe estar (aligned) enfrente/atras para ser lo mas fuerte. Asi:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:15 pm 
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http://www.hobiecat.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=24

Or, direct link to the repair idea...

http://www.hobiecat.com/support/tech/delam.html

Buena suerte


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 Post subject: more you ask
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:14 pm 
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thanks

I understand what you tell myself but I need to know that type of inject laminating resin use?, because in my country venezuela, I dont have many options? the git rot no found.

I can use the resin of fiberglass?

this tecnica can be used if the area is big?

excuses my badly english.

Gracias

Yo entiendo lo que tu me quieres decir, pero necesito conocer que tipo de recina puedo usar, porque en venezuela no tengo mucha variedad, el producto git rot no lo consigo.

Yo puedo usar la resida de la fibra de vidrio?

Puedo usar esta tecnica para un area grande?

Gracias, mi español si esta bien, creo?


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 Post subject: Re: more you ask
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:54 pm 
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Jose Javier wrote:
thanks

I understand what you tell myself but I need to know that type of inject laminating resin use?, because in my country venezuela, I dont have many options? the git rot no found.

I can use the resin of fiberglass?

this tecnica can be used if the area is big?

excuses my badly english.

Gracias

Yo entiendo lo que tu me quieres decir, pero necesito conocer que tipo de recina puedo usar, porque en venezuela no tengo mucha variedad, el producto git rot no lo consigo.

Yo puedo usar la resida de la fibra de vidrio?

Puedo usar esta tecnica para un area grande?

Gracias, mi español si esta bien, creo?

¡Ha! Si, mejor que lo mio.

¿Puedes comprar el Git Rot en el internet o no? Yo creo que el Git Rot esta bien porque esta muy (delgada?) y por eso puede entrar en todos los poros de la espuma. (¡Ay! ¿Me entiendes?) Si no puedes comprar Git Rot, creo que puedes usar el West System epoxy con el 105 Resin y 206 slow hardener (por que es endurecedor de poca viscosidad. (?))

Pienso que este combinacion puede ser casi lo mismo (de el Git Rot), pero yo no soy experto de epoxy y probablamente hay otras personas que te pueden enseñar mejor que yo.
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(In English) Can you buy Git Rot on the internet? I think it's supposed to be good for this because it's a very thin epoxy and because of this it can get through all the pores of the foam. If you can't get Git Rot, I think you could probably use the West System epoxy with 105 resin and 206 Slow Hardener because it's low viscosity.

I think this combination could be the same as the Git Rot, but I'm not an epoxy expert and I'm sure there are other people that can tell you better than I.

Regards,

Jim


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 Post subject: Reply
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:24 pm 
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thanks, you spanish are good.

I am not sure to be able to buy the git rot by internet and I asked now by the epoxic that you tell myself.

For that work I can use reside it of the fiberglass?

The git rot can be use in big zone?

Thanks

Gracias, tu español es bastante bueno, lo entiendo a la perfección

Yo no estoy seguro de poder comprar el git rot por internet y mañana preguntare por la resina que me dices

Para este trabajo puedo usar la resina de la fibra de vidrio?

El git rot puede ser usado en zonas grandes

Gracias...


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 Post subject: Re: Reply
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:54 pm 
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Jose Javier wrote:
For that work I can use reside it of the fiberglass?

The git rot can be use in big zone?

Para este trabajo puedo usar la resina de la fibra de vidrio?

El git rot puede ser usado en zonas grandes

Gracias...

El West System epoxy puede ser usado para fibra de vidrio, si. El Git Rot, yo no se por que nunca he usado ese producto. Tienes que decirnos como grande es "la zona grande," por que creo que depende. Si el area es *muy* grande, yo pienso que debes ponder mas fibra de vidrio y epoxy para hacerlo mas fuerte; pero otra ves yo nunca he hacido ese cosa; pero yo y mi amigo hicimos un rudder nuevo. Puede ver todo en mi pagina aqui: http://www.JaimeZX.com/Boating/Hobie/part3.html
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The West System epoxy can be used with fiberglass, but I don't know about Git Rot because I've never used it. You need to tell us how big is this "big area" you speak of. If it's *really* big then I think you'll need to put more fiberglass and epoxy to make it stronger. But again I've never done this, although my friend and I built a new rudder from scratch. You can read about that in my site. (Above.)

Regards,

Jim


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:35 pm 
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My 1982 H16 is also have 2/3 of the hulls are deliminated, what can i do?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:09 am 
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Guangdong hua ngo mm sec gong. ;)

Heh. It depends how delaminated they are and where and how much work you're willing to do to fix them. Give me more details, mkoy mkoy? :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:53 am 
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thanks!!

actually most deliminated part are at the inner side of the hull, i think not much pressure are pressing that area when it is flying, i am planning:

1. to injet glue inside the deliminated area (but it will increase the hull weight)

2. to fibreglass the area near the pylons...

3. left it here & do nothing, just repair if further crack occur......


what would you do, i need your advice, thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:48 am 
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Ngo mmm chi (I dunno) man, it's your boat, but if you have soft spots then I'd fix them, especially if you're sailing on the ocean. You'll definately be looking at somewhat increased hull weight, but I'd be wanting the strongest hulls I could get in your situation. Dui mm chi. :oops:


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thanks !! :o :wink:


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