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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:54 am 
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Matt, I keep my Getaway in my garage. I would like to be able to lift it off the trailer to get into the sailbox and to use the trailer for other boats, like AIs. The ceilings in the garage are much higher than normal. I spoke with the builder and he said suspending a 400lb boat from 4 cables would not be a problem at all for the garage. That brings me to the boat. Would it damage the Getaway to lift it from the center and rear crossbeams? My thought is to attach straps at the four points where those crossbeams enter the hulls and hoist away. Would this be a problem? Thanks -

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:50 am 
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Matt -

I picked up my new AI on Saturday. What a great little boat that is. For any of you who have not checked out the AI, give it a look. You will be pleasantly surprised at how many things you can do with that boat.

I realize that my question about hoisting my Getaway is an unusual one and I will understand if you choose not to answer it. I ask it because I value your opinion and recognize that you know more about this boat than I do. I am not trying to create any warranty or liability issues for either of us. But I really would like to be able to use my Getaway trailer and sailbox to transport my AI. Being able to lift it off the trailer and suspend it has a number of advantages to me. If lifting from the crossbeams is a bad idea, please tell me. If there is a better way to do this, I'm all ears. If I shouldn't do this at all, I guess I need to hear that too.

Either way, I would love to hear your thoughts on this. And if there is anyone else out there who has thought about or tried this, I would really appreciate your ideas.

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David


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:05 am 
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David,

I do the same thing with my H-16, except that I lift it by the deck lips:

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(You can see it hanging in the upper left corner of my boat yar . . . er, garage)

It allows me to keep all three of the boats in the garage during the winter (the 14 rides on top of the Tiger from November - April).

You should have no problems hoisting the Getaway from the crossbeams.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:56 am 
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MBounds -

Pictures of another man's garage, I feel honored. I immediately called my wife in to view your outstanding photos. Three sailboats in one garage - you are my hero. I feel like a slacker. The cars and yard stuff will be out of mine tomorrow.

Thanks for the picture and quick reply. Have a Merry Christmas!

David


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:16 am 
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People think I'm joking when I say I've got three boats and two cars in a three car garage - until they see it.

I use the winch off the trailer to do the hoisting. It's mounted on the floor (on 2x4's that are ram set into the concrete floor and screwed into the wall studs). If you look carefully at the photo, you can see the line that cuts at a slight angle across the windows - that's the one that leads from the winch to an old mainsheet triple block mounted on the ceiling with a very large eyebolt screwed into the ceiling structure. The line then divides into two for the front attachments, and one for the rear (which splits again to the two rear attachments). Eyebolts screwed into the roof trusses hold the turning blocks (old H-16 jib blocks). It's held up for 11 seasons now, although a couple of seams in the drywall ceiling has popped from the flexing.

Next summer's project is to get up in the attic and add some reinforcement to the trusses to keep them from flexing.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:53 am 
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MBounds wrote:
People think I'm joking when I say I've got three boats and two cars in a three car garage - until they see it.


I'm not seeing any cars. Or the room to put them. :wink:

Brian C


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 Post subject: Hoist a Getaway?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:25 pm 
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Hoist a Getaway?

I think you are pretty safe on that. I cannot imagine the hulls weight hanging from the beams to be a problem.

Congrats on the new Hobie Mirage Adventure Island!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:49 am 
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Thanks Matt -

They're as good as hung

Have a Merry Christmas!

David


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:31 am 
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I found these on the computer last night . . .

The "hung" 16 from the rear:
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A detail of the triple block on the ceiling:
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Because of the severe angle of the forward hoist lines (lots of friction on the block), I'm going to replace it this summer with three separate blocks.

Also, just for you, Brian:
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Two Volvos and three Hobies in one garage (you can barely see the bottom edge of the 16 behind the masts that are hung sideways in the garage). Photo was taken last night (you can tell it's winter, because the snowblower is parked in front of the Tiger).

My first photo was taken in August 2004 when I was restoring the white/blue 1972 14 that is now owned by Pat Bisesi. The cars were evicted while I rebuilt the boat.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:56 am 
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How come I knew those pictures would be there today.
Matt, I surprised you don't have an electric winch system.

The old 14 is still hanging in there.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:53 am 
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MBounds wrote:
Also, just for you, Brian:
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I can not let my wife see that picture! We too have a 3-car garage, but none of the daily drivers fit (though the truck is too big anyway).

Brian C


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:59 pm 
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Matt Bounds,

You wrote you hoist the 16 by the deck lips. Why? Why not the tramp frame, or by cradles under the hulls?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:02 pm 
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I was looking for the easiest way to hook on to the boat and I had a set of tie-down straps lying around that have the "L" shaped hooks on them. Here's a photo of the boat hanging and you can see one of the aft attachments:
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(we were wrapping it to go to a boat show 250 miles away - in winter)

The hooks have a 1" "flat" on them so there's not a point load on the inside of the deck lip.

Another consideration is the boat's center of gravity which is only about 18" behind the front crossbar. If you lift it by the crossbars, the forward lines will take almost the whole load. I wanted the load to be roughly equal on all four lines.

I also used this hoist for my H-17 - it would take me about 45 minutes to switch boats from the hoist to the trailer & vice versa. Part of that time was spent re-adjusting the trailer to fit (Trailex trailers are infinitely adjustable). I did notice that the 17's deck lips would deflect out when on the hoist, but they always sprung back.

The way this is set up, I can wheel the boat in on the trailer, get the trailer sideways in the garage and hoist directly off the trailer. Coming down, I lower onto Cat Trax, since there's a ledge that prevents the trailer from getting directly underneath the hoist. (You can see it in the photo.)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:11 pm 
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How high is the ceiling in your garage? And I'm guess it's deeper than the standard 20 ft.

Brian C


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[quote="drgatsea"]Matt -

I picked up my new AI on Saturday. What a great little boat that is. For any of you who have not checked out the AI, give it a look. You will be pleasantly surprised at how many things you can do with that boat.

/quote]

Newbie sorry --- what's an AI?

thanks
CB


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