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 Post subject: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:12 pm 
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I was looking at a sailing supply store online and noticed that they had trapeze wires for other Hobies, but not the Wave. Why aren't there trapeze wires for the Wave? Is this boat not intended to trap on?


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:24 pm 
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Mast is too far forward... sail is not powerful. Not good for single handing and no hiking stick is standard. These is a trap set accessory, but only intended as a training tool for kids.

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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:27 pm 
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Well, that is a bit of a disappointment. I was hoping to trap primarily because it would be more comfortable than hiking. I guess you could say that trapping is not necessary because of the reasons you stated, but could it be done for the sake of comfort, and maybe training for old kids? A hiking stick seems like an easy problem to overcome. Would the relatively forward position of the mast totally mess everything up?

As far as not being good for single handing, I guess I didn't know what single handing was. I thought single handing was sailing alone, which I thought the Wave was great for. Is single handing something different than that?


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:22 pm 
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Correct... point is trapeze on the Wave is not really possible due to the geometry. The mast is forward which would pull the trapeze crew forward. If sailing alone... single handed... that would not work well.

The sail size is not large. In most conditions the trapeze would be too much for the sail area.

The Wave is designed to be under powered and easy to sail. At 180 lbs plus it takes a lot of wind to fly a hull. Hiking is all that is needed to keep the boat flat in over 20 mph winds.

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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:59 pm 
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Okay, this will be a dumb question, but would it be feasible to get a trap harness and sit on the edge of the tramp just to make it less tiring? Looks like that would provide a lot of support rather than doing a continuous sit-up while hiking out. I guess that is what the Wave backrest is for, but the trapeze and harness would be a lot less expensive and easier to install.


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:48 am 
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Might work, but still may be pulling you forward.

You can't fully hike out with the back rests in place, so the trapeze idea may be best.

You could rig a line to the mast tang to test the theory on the beach.

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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:50 pm 
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Matt, show him what happened to the guy who trapped on my wave. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:10 am 
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Is there a photo of that one? Here is Hammond trying to stuff it hard!

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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
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Ha! I would say he did more than try to stuff it hard. Looks like a success to me. But, I don't see any trap wire.


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:21 pm 
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Naw... the point is that the Wave has short bows. You have to keep weight aft when reaching. Adding the leverage of trapeze weight drives the hulls harder and this is what happens. If he had been on a wire... he would have ended up the wires's length in front of the boat.

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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:29 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
Naw... the point is that the Wave has short bows. You have to keep weight aft when reaching. Adding the leverage of trapeze weight drives the hulls harder and this is what happens. If he had been on a wire... he would have ended up the wires's length in front of the boat.


I don't want to trap out in the traditional sense of trapping. I am just trying to figure out how to make it more comfortable to sail for longer periods of time. I want an easy chair on each side of the boat and since I can't figure out how to attach them I wondered if I could use a harness with back support and still sit on the hull. I could even point my feet more in the direction of the mast if that would help.


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
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Totally understood!

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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
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This is what I do: Take your righting line, tie it to the front crossbar and have a few knots tied into it down the rope a ways. When you're hiking out, just grab the righting line with your forward hand and use it for leverage when you're hanging over the side of the boat. It works great.

Trapping out on the wave? You'd have to be 80lbs to do it, plus the 2 piece mast would be trashed sooner than you'd like.


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:37 am 
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mmiller wrote:
Naw... the point is that the Wave has short bows. You have to keep weight aft when reaching. Adding the leverage of trapeze weight drives the hulls harder and this is what happens. If he had been on a wire... he would have ended up the wires's length in front of the boat.

Example of keeping weight aft.


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 Post subject: Re: Trapeze for Wave?
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Creative wrote:
mmiller wrote:
Naw... the point is that the Wave has short bows. You have to keep weight aft when reaching. Adding the leverage of trapeze weight drives the hulls harder and this is what happens. If he had been on a wire... he would have ended up the wires's length in front of the boat.

Example of keeping weight aft.


For how long can you sail like that?


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