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 Post subject: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:49 am 
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When sheeting in on my wave I lift up and the cleats jam the line which is fine.When things go hairy and I'm in panic mode I have to pull down to release it.This takes too long,is very awkward and is scary.Shouldn't it be the other way up so all you have to do is push down to lock it and lift up to release it and let the sheet out?On the small lake where I sail it is very gusty and things happen very fast and I find it really awkward the way it is.Has anyone drilled out the bracket and turned it upside down and bolted it back in place?Would that work?
This boat is so much fun.There are two of us on the lake with a few more showing interest now that they see us out there.We get very strong gusty winds which allways keeps you on your toes.There's a strong laser fleet and I'm getting interest from them because they spend so much time climbing back in their boats and the water isn't very warm yet. Doug


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:28 am 
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1) Don't cleat the main.

2) Learn how to snap it out when it is cleated (like cracking a whip).

With the jaws facing up, you're more likely to unintentionally cleat it.


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:43 am 
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3) You can change the jaw angle on most blocks. Raise the angle, so the jaws don't catch the sheet... unless you lift the line higher when sheeting.

4) If your cleat the sail, ALWAYS keep the sheet in your hand and a taut line between you and the cleat. Nothing worse than fumbling for the line or having a big loop of line between you and the jaws when in a panic.

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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:08 am 
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Thanks for the reply
The jaws of the cleat are riveted and cannot be adjusted.
I keep a tight line between me and the cleat partly for balance.When things go wrong I think by snapping the line free you would let the main out with a jerk which would spill wind too fast and you slam back down.I would rather be able to feather the main to try to maintain control.Not cleating it is one option but it doesn't give you the opportunity to do other stuff.
When I'm in panic mode and I'm fighting to release the sheet I let it out too fast and I slam back down on the water.SCARY.I guess its practice practise practise but I just think that lifting up might be a better solution to let the main out slower.Maybe an adjustable block is the answer. doug


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:21 am 
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Blocks shipped with Waves for many years are adjustable. Photo? Otherwise... a small main ratchet block change would make sailing MUCH more pleasurable. Adjustable jaws is one thing, but the ratchet system helps to hold the line when not cleated.

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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:42 pm 
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I don't have a clue how to post photos.I'm going to Vancouver tomorrow.I'll take the main block to the hobie dealer and see what they can do to help.
Thanks for your advice. Doug


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:53 pm 
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This is the Getaway instruction, but the blocks are similar. Maybe this can help if this is the type of block you have.
http://www.hobiecat.com/support/pdfs/getawaymanual_a1.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:58 pm 
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Mine doesn't look anything like that.I found a catalogue and it says part#38900071 which just shows a two pulley block with the cleat coming straight out from the block.There are no adjustments.With that attached so low to the crossbar it is very difficult to push down to release it from the angle where you sit on the hull.


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:27 pm 
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Pic on left shows it adjusted up. Pin pushes up and cleat adjusts up or down. Also, in a gust, the mainsheet doubles as something you can hang your weight on. Lean back (always with mainsheet uncleated), like rappelling down a cliff. Though not too far :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:53 pm 
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Thats just like mine except I don't have the adjustment and it is in the down position which makes it hard to release.I can see where yours would work alot better being up like that.I'm going to check that out in Vancouver.Thanks for the replies,this is the best site. Doug


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:13 pm 
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Is the ratchet block race legal?


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:26 pm 
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well I picked up a harken little fiddle with cam ratchet and becket in Vancouver yesterday.The forecast is a little weird for tomorrow but I'm anxious to get on the water and try this new set up.It came with the cams upside down so I reversed them and will try with release by lifting up.With the ratchet system I hope it will give more control when I get hit by the bigger gusts.


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:42 am 
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Down release is the norm for mainsheet systems... Adjust the jaws higher to prohibit cleating with every sheet adjustment if needed.

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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:11 am 
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Ok thanks I'll try that.It looks like its shaping up to be a good day


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 Post subject: Re: sheeting in the wave
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:07 pm 
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Dugd,

I am thinking of also upgrading to this set-up (cam ratchet with fiddle and becket). What model Harken block did you purchase? Thanks.

MP


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