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 Post subject: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:21 pm 
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Hello,

I have rented both a wave and a Getaway in San Diego, Mission Bay. Wind guru usually shows around 5-12 MPH winds when I go. Once I went out it what seemed 15-20. Regardless of the day I have never had the bow lift out of the water while being close hauled. I have rented Lazers that I hike out on in the same conditions but it never seems to happen in either of the Cats? I am also overweight at 6 ft 265 lbs. Maybee I am to big for these boats to heal over that far? I find it thrilling when you have to hike out to keep the boat from going over like on the lazer, will I ever have this experience in these boats?


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:16 pm 
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popcornsamurai wrote:
Hello,

I have rented both a wave and a Getaway in San Diego, Mission Bay. Wind guru usually shows around 5-12 MPH winds when I go. Once I went out it what seemed 15-20. Regardless of the day I have never had the bow lift out of the water while being close hauled. I have rented Lazers that I hike out on in the same conditions but it never seems to happen in either of the Cats? I am also overweight at 6 ft 265 lbs. Maybee I am to big for these boats to heal over that far? I find it thrilling when you have to hike out to keep the boat from going over like on the lazer, will I ever have this experience in these boats?

I think you just need some 20 to 25 mph wind for the Hobie Cats so you can fly a hull.


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:57 am 
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265 on a wave? You'll snap the mast before you get that sucker up. At 195, I rarely get it flying too much unless its a brisk blow.


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:49 pm 
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xanderwess wrote:
265 on a wave? You'll snap the mast before you get that sucker up. At 195, I rarely get it flying too much unless its a brisk blow.

Not true. I can fly my Wave with both me at 185 & my son at 100, with wind at 20 mph +.


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:57 am 
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Well I need to get down to 195 any way so I will work on that. Otherwise I will just watch the wind report and call out sick if it picks up. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:21 pm 
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280lbs and I have flown the hull a few times just sheet it in and she'll get some air.


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:02 am 
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Does a lot of heeling make for slower speed through the water on a cat? I'm thinking of lasers where "flat is fast."

Maybe there's an angle of heel beyond which the heeling begins to have a more and more negative effect on speed? Here I'm thinking of the AC72s and big cats where it looks like the goal seems to get one hull just clear of waves and not necessarily to maximize heel. (the AC72s of course need to keep the foil in the water, hence no 45 degree heeling).

Why am I asking? Extended heeling-over sailing doesn't happen much on my Wave and in high winds it seems that keeping the upwind skeg in contact with the water improves speed (as well as stability).


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:00 pm 
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Having the windward hull just out of the water by a few inches should, I think, be the best recipe for maximum speed. You're reducing the wetted surface by 50% and yet still staying fairly flat so you're not spilling or wasting much wind off the sail.


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 Post subject: Re: Heeling over a Wave
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:38 am 
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I know that when I'm sailing and a hull leaves the water, my bay is so oddball gusty that I'm spending more time trying to maintain balance than I am keeping an optimal line, sail trim and such. Therefore, I'd guess that I probably loose point a to point b speed in the long run.

But of course, that's my specific wind conditions and I'm only racing against myself. Might not apply to everyone.


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