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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:06 pm 
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What is the difference between theses kayaks? Do they come in the same colors?

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Hey LeBron,
A lot of people don't know about the whole separate line of fishing yaks that Hobie produces. There is a fishing model for the OB, Sport, Quest, Outfitter, and Adventure, but you have to know where to look on the Hobie site since they have it kind of camouflaged. Here is the Adventure link.

http://www.hobiecat.com/fishing/models_ ... erman.html

They have different colors for the fishing yaks, but the main difference is that the Sportsman's pack (old name--includes cooler, cart, & anchor kit) is standard on the fishing yaks, plus they add a Scotty rod holder, either flush mount or angled mount on these boats. They use the Hank Parker name for some of these boats as well. Of course, you pay more for the fishing models, so the extra stuff is not free, but there may be some slight break on price when these items are included in the overall price. And, if you want a flush mount, but don't want to fool with installing it yourself, then the fishing models with this might make sense. The Quest, however, has a regular Scotty mount amidships and forward of the seat, rather than a flush mount.

Colors are more limited, but you have a choice of green granite, sand, or orange. Although they show the red one on their Web site under the Adventure Fish link, you can only get red in the non-fishing model. And you can only get orange on the fishing model!

Basically there is not a heck of a lot of difference between these boats and the regular models. You can get the Sportsman's pack on any other boat, but not the Scotty mount, as an optional item.

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Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:44 pm 
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LeBron wrote:
What is the difference between theses kayaks? Do they come in the same colors?Thanks
Not sure what all the differences are, but if you look at the specs, the Adventure supports 350 lbs, and the Adventure Fish supports 450 lbs.


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Yep Rny--you're right based on what the Hobie Web site says, but I would not place too much stock on that. I have noticed other errors on the Hobie site, and in addition, it is somewhat out of date, especially with all the new models out. Just one example is re the new Outback where they still show pics of the old model OB (without the large forward hatch), and their text also still refers to the old model. In addition, their Web site pic of the BigA Fish shows the red color that is not even available on the fishing models (as the fine print does say). For a while, clicking on the Outfitter link at the top of the Web page, took you not to the Outfitter page, but to the Outback page! On the Hobie Fishing Web page, they still don't even list the Adventure Fish or the Outfitter Fish, but they do on the drop down menu at the top of the Web site under “Products”, etc., etc.

Even the latest issue of the new Hobie catalog is internally inconsistent as to basic stats. For example, they list the new Outback in one place as having a 34-inch beam, but in another place in the same catalog, the beam is given as 33 inches. More importantly (since this affects speed), the length figure is incorrect for at least one of the boats in the new catalog. For example the Quest is listed as being 13'6” long in one place in the catalog, but is listed at 13'0” long in another. The Web site also gives 13'0” as the length, so is this the correct figure or not?

With regard to the Web site100 lb difference in weight capacity between the BigA and BigA Fish, that is just plain ridiculous. Just someone at Hobie not paying attention again. There is no way changing the color of the hull, or adding a Scotty flush mount to the BigA Fish is going to increase its carrying capacity by 100 lbs! I mean, the hull designs between the fish and regular models are identical, as is the length, and there really are no basic differences other than the Scotty flush mount and the colors. Their latest catalog page for the basic Adventure (non-fish) model also gives 450 lbs as the capacity. So I assume the Web page listing of a 350 lb capacity for the basic Adventure is where the error is located. But, hey-I could be wrong! Regardless, it is very unprofessional for a company like Hobie that places a lot of stock on quality and being upfront with their customer base, to not do a careful job of simple proofreading of both their catalog and Web site before releasing them to the public. Just my $.02 worth.

IMHO, Hobie really needs to re-design their whole kayaking Web site, since at present some of the pages are internally inconsistent with one another, some of the links do not work, and the site also contains some basic errors that are sure to confuse the potential customer base (as with this issue of carrying capacity). In addition, the catalog needs to be internally consistent within its own pages, as well as consistent with the info on the Web pages. Sorry for the rant, but again, just my $.02 worth.

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The answer to all the inconsistencies is probably very simple. I suspect Hobie, like so many big companies is outsourcing website design and catalog layout. Some guy in India or someplace is probably going by metric pounds and is paid by the metric hour. :shock:

But yes, you're right. These things are aggravating and certainly don't reflect the attention to detail and quality present in their products. I'm just glad it isn't the other way around!


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:43 am 
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Apalach wrote:
. . . Hobie really needs to re-design their whole kayaking Web site, since at present some of the pages are internally inconsistent with one another, some of the links do not work, and the site also contains some basic errors that are sure to confuse the potential customer base (as with this issue of carrying capacity). In addition, the catalog needs to be internally consistent within its own pages, as well as consistent with the info on the Web pages. Sorry for the rant, but again, just my $.02 worth.
Having had so much trouble with a parts catalog, an inconsistent web site is no surprise. A product really shouldn't be advertised until the product AND its supporting documentation is ready. Is Hobiecat on Viagra? This premature pasting of products with inaccurate data on their web page can only lead to much embarassment or worse. Maybe MMiller, sales and marketing can elaborate on the confusion. Just what is the difference between the Hobie Adventure and Hobie Adventure Fish?


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It is a difficult task to sync up all of this information when it is being published at different times during the year. Errors are one thing, but changes are ongoing as well.

First, this is an error (by the way, I just changed that). The boats have the same basic specifications.

Second, we have two distinct types of dealers. Fishing or Kayak. The fishing only dealers are really specific fishing and sports stores. They only have access to fishing models of the boats. The kayak dealers can sell the fish products if they buy certain minimums of that line.

There could probably be better cross over to the fish area from the kayak section, but there is three major headers on the website... Sailing / Kayaking and Fishing. The fishing versions are under the Fishing header.

As far as the website structure... we know. This site's structure has been unchanged for many years. We have been looking at making major changes, but it takes time. The time is near though. Expect a major change within a few months. Can't promise we won't make mistakes, but when we do we will be able to fix them more easily and accurately across the entire site.

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Three cheers for Matt Miller! Matt, your timley responses to postings here are greatly appreciated. Although I personally don't always agree or see things your way, I'm glad you take an active interest.

Tell your boss I said you could take the rest of the day off, with pay!! :D


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Noalias wrote:
I suspect Hobie, like so many big companies is outsourcing website design and catalog layout.


Actually no... We have an inhouse website team. I used to do the site until a couple of years ago. Our main guy that is designing the new site is concentrating on the problem of inconsistant information. Brochures are done by a local graphics company. Yes, our fault for not proofing better. Sometimes it is changes by engineering in how they measure, but the same spec in two areas of a brochure / catalog is just not good proofing.

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My comments were made in jest. Mostly to fish for a rise from Apalach. It's not widely known but they use the metric hours and pounds system down that way.

We all look forward to improvements in the website and brochures!


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Hey Noal,
Sorry I couldn't rise to the bait, but being paid by the "metric hour" was just a bit more than I could handle! But, still a really creative concept, nonetheless! OK--lemme see, a metric hour would be the distance one could paddle in meters during a 60 minute period--right(?). Or mebbe the number of Web site pages one could generate over a meter in length during a one hour period(?). Or mebbe--this may be it--the number of yaks of a particular length (in meters, natch) that Hobie could produce in their shop over a 60 minute period, or--well, you get the idea...

Besides, since I knew that Hobie does pretty much everything "in house", including the rotomolding, I didn't figure that anyone in Asia knew or had any reason to care about Hobie yaks. :mrgreen:

P.S. BTW, thanks Matt for your timely and to-the-point responses to our sometimes (always?) nit-picking gripes and/or comments. :!:

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mmiller wrote:
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Yes, our fault for not proofing better...
That is what we are here for - we're your proof readers. :shock: Thanks for clarifying the differences between the Adventure and Adventure Fish.


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