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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:25 pm 
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It sure pays to have friends in high places! Thanks to all my influential friends here on the forum, I've been able to take a take a close look at Hobie's Tandem Island! In fact, Hobie has been very accommodating in providing access to their TI test fleet. There have been some good questions about boat. Hopefully many will be answered here.

For those who want all the info in a nutshell, the Tandem Island is a marvel of innovation, an excellent and versatile sailer, a very competent pedaler and is definitely transportable without a trailer for many users.

Now for the details. This first topic highlights some of the TI specifications, features and innovations.

Hull: Similarities in design to the AI include minimal rocker and a (measured) length to width ratio is 7.0 : 1.. Notable differences in execution include increased depth and a flatter bottom for greater stability and weight capacity for the TI There are two sets of scupper cart holes -- both serve an excellent purpose as we'll see in the transport post later.

Measured hull specs:
Length overall (rudder retracted) 18' 5"
Hull Width 31"
Maximum depth 14"
Girth 78"
Ama length 13' 4"
Hull weight 120 lb.
Ama weight 22 lb. ea. x 2.
Aka weight 15 lb. combined
Sail and mast weight 12.5 lb.
seats and paddle about 7 lb.
Total weight rigged about 190 lb.

Amas: 4 1/2' longer and with 220 lb. of buoyancy each (100 lb. greater capacity than the AI amas), they look very sleek and run more efficiently in the water.
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They are mounted forward compared with the AI, extending almost as far forward as the bow. Together with the deeper hull, this provides more buoyancy forward and a substantially drier ride. The amas are positioned a little higher off the water for less drag on a downwind leg, aided by the flatter bottom of the hull. Upwind you'll notice a little more initial heel .

General deck lay out: -- the first thing you notice is the more spacious cockpits. The rear cockpit is about 1/2" longer than the AI cockpit and the front cockpit is even longer by about another 1/2" Both have more seating width.

Topside space is well utilized with lots of features. Both cockpits have dual cup holders (different diameters) and like the Revolution, there is a small ridge and platform (or shelf) aft of the drivewells that can be used as a working surface for fishing, etc. There are two sets of handles, one for each cockpit. They are nicely integrated and well placed for gripping from the seated position. As we've come to expect, there are two mesh pockets in each cockpit. In case anybody hasn't noticed, the mesh bungee material is improved on all the 2010 boats.

The Adventure-like foredeck is the first (and only) tandem to have a deck mounted hatch.
Similar to the Adventure hatch but more versatile, it can stow a Mirage Drive with Turbofins, some versions of the Hobie carts (not including the newest wide bodied or Trax carts) and of course a spare evolve auxillary.
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There are three additional 8" hatches -- one in each cockpit and one at the rear cargo area for good access throughout the hull. The cargo area design is a cross between that of the Adventure and Revolution. Although smaller, it can easily accommodate a Hobie livewell or a couple of life preservers and a scupper cart.. Seats are the standard 2010 seats with the taller seat back, inflatable lumbar support and adjustable seat plugs (vs. '09 seats).

Crossbar system: Rather than removable hinge pins, the TI has permanently mounted hinges with aka extensions that slip into the crossbars and automatically lock with spring loaded, retractable retainers. They are released by depressing buttons on the sides of the crossbars.
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Very simple and fast snap together set-up. It also appears that the wearable parts are replaceable. If there is a tendency to bind when new, simple twist of the aka assists in unlocking.

Centerboard: The board is permanently mounted on the starboard side of the forward cockpit at the rail.
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This allows full retraction without intruding into cockpit space. It has several cool features. The spring loaded handle is well balanced making it easy to secure in up or down detent, yet the board can be positioned at any intermediate position and stays in place reasonably well when sailing. It retracts without damage upon striking a submerged object. When in the kayak pedaling mode it may be temporarily flipped down to reduce turn radius noticeably. Here's a close look at the disassembled board:
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This picture shows size and depth compared with the AI board. -- it is positioned slightly aft to allow greater ease in tacking and a more neutral helm.
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It is easily operated from the front cockpit. When sailing solo from the back cockpit, one has to get up and reach forward to operate it -- not really difficult.

A question was asked if Turbofins interfere with the board. As can be seen here, no problem.
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Rudder system: The newly designed blade is more stout and extends deeper than the AI rudder. A new mounting system (with longer rudder pin) puts much less strain on the hinge point.
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Deployment and retraction handles are double purchase for excellent ease in handling this heavier blade. There are new larger rudder controls in each cockpit.
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Sail and rigging: The TI sail lists at 90 sq. ft. and may be sheeted from either cockpit at will. All that needs to be done to transfer control is to release the sheet in the control cockpit and the sail then becomes operational in the other cockpit. The double purchase system hauls the sail in without excessive effort for most people.
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This can be quickly changed to a triple purchase system if more leverage is desired, but cockpit control then becomes dedicated to one cockpit or the other -- can no longer be switched back and forth at will.

Furling can be accomplished from either cockpit also. Battens are now aligned vertically to facilitate easy furling on this larger sail. The single furling line is long enough to reach either cockpit and is easily cleated and released at the front cross bar, even from the rear cockpit when soloing. The roller furling mast mount system is similar to that of the AI.

Accessories:
TI tramps are a little shorter than AI tramps.
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This wasn't done intentionally to sell more tramps -- the aka spacing is more compressed because of space constraints dictated by the two cockpit system (note corresponding aka hole spacing differences in ama picture above). I didn't try the AI tramps on the TI -- there may be a possibility of cinching them up enough to make them work, but don't count on it.

Cradles are almost necessary to properly transport this boat. My friend Josh , always a great guy to have around (like Stringy, but much closer) helped me adapt some TI cradles to my Thule rack system.
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More on this in the transport post later.

A rudder knob option will be offered. Those who remember the old steering wheel accessory knobs will understand how excellent this works! This makes the rudder handle a lot easier to grip. Also check out the new handles here:
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Apparently a jib kit will likely be offered sometime down the line. No details available at this time, but based on video from the Everglades Challenge, it's actively under development.

Additionally, there are minor changes such as the way the amas are secured to the hull and bungee loops for the tramps that keep them from slipping inboard.

As can be seen, lots of thought has gone into adapting and improving the systems. I'm most impressed with the dual rudder controls, dual sheeting, new centerboard and larger cockpits. I am also especially like the new rudder mount design -- external mount, improved strength and ease of use while still employing the Twist N Stow system.

In the next topic we'll go sailing. I'll try to have it in a couple of days -- lots of pics to sort through! 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:41 pm 
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Thanks so much for the info roadrunner, there is no way i will be able to afford a TI but at least reading this i can dream!

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Thank you Roadrunner and Matt!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:05 am 
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Awesome post!

I am interested in more details about the new rudder mount and pin. It looks like the rudder mount is no longer molded into the hull but a separate piece that is attached somehow? Why does a longer pin reduce stress?

Those sheet pulleys mounted on the side of the boat in the back seem like they could be underwater a lot, will corrosion be a big problem there?

I really like the new design of the aka joints! The pin design is a little frustrating and definitely wears a lot. Would love to test one, hopefully the dealer out here gets one soon.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:13 am 
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Also, it looks like it is just barely car toppable....

120lb hull
22lb x2 ama=44lb
12.5lb sail/mast

All of that would have to go on the roof for a total of 176.5lbs.

The most weight I have seen roof racks support is 175lbs, pretty close.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:47 am 
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Many thanks for another great review Roadrunner. 8)
Once again you have put a lot of work into this (and the sections to come) and we the forum members are very grateful. :)
Wow -that daggerboard is huge. Does it actually come out?
I especially like the larger hatch that fits a drive. It's great to see Hobie's continual improvements and innovations!
Looking forward to the topics to come (no rush-when you are ready). I know how time-consuming this would be but it is much appreciated. Good things have certainly come to those who wait! :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:03 am 
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Roadrunner - thanks for the in-depth review of the TI.
Look forward to reading more when you've had a chance to aquaint yourself with it more closely - particularly its performance compared to the AI.

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Thanks for a great post Roadrunner I look forward to the next all though i am already pretty sure what i am going for now.

JollyGreen wrote:
Why does a longer pin reduce stress?


In short the more material ( volume ) you have in the object the more material you have to spread the loading on the object. You can either make the object longer or thicker depending on the practicalities you want the object to take on.

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Twerto wrote:
Thanks for a great post Roadrunner I look forward to the next all though i am already pretty sure what i am going for now.

JollyGreen wrote:
Why does a longer pin reduce stress?


In short the more material ( volume ) you have in the object the more material you have to spread the loading on the object. You can either make the object longer or thicker depending on the practicalities you want the object to take on.

Twerto - are you in a hurry?? If you haven't placed an order you may find yourself on a longgggg waiting list :shock:

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Wow, that was the best TI porn :shock:
I'd snap one of these babies up in a flash but I just know I'd have trouble getting it on top of the Discovery. I don't have room to store another trailer.
If these changes were rolled into a new AI I'd certainly upgrade.

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Good review and detail, RR. Thanks.

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mickeymouse wrote:
Twerto wrote:
Thanks for a great post Roadrunner I look forward to the next all though i am already pretty sure what i am going for now.

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Why does a longer pin reduce stress?


In short the more material ( volume ) you have in the object the more material you have to spread the loading on the object. You can either make the object longer or thicker depending on the practicalities you want the object to take on.

Twerto - are you in a hurry?? If you haven't placed an order you may find yourself on a longgggg waiting list :shock:


Its going to be a while till i can finance it anyway now so im in no huge hurry at the moment.. but at least i know what to aim for :)

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Nice post Roadrunner. I envision my lawn becoming a hayfield.

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Stringy, the centerboard doesn't normally come out. I just took it apart so we all could have a close look at it.

Jolly, I'll cover loading and transportation later in more detail later, but if I had a car or SUV instead of a truck, I would invest in a receiver hitch and use a "T" bar off the hitch to mount the back cradle. This way the roof rack only takes half the load -- the roof rack would handle less than 100 lbs. This also increases the distance between cradles for more stability driving. Finally, loading and unloading from the rear is easily facilitated with the T bar and is the best way to go without denting or scratching your car. 8)


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Thanks for great info.

I am still trying to figure out if I can cartop this beast on my truck or if I need to get a trailer.

Most of the time it would be me and my wife loading/unloading and I think it might be a struggle to cartop the TI.

Almost forgot, I cartop my tandem Outfitter on my Dodge Ram now, but the TI might just be too much to lift.

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