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Author:  Joker [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: how to right a capsized mirage tandem island?
Thank you so much for your understanding. Sailing is my passion, I grew up in San Diego and crewed for my mother who became a famous sailor. My husband is a good sailor and we have a catamaran. Now we are waiting for our TI. We just bought a spray skirt from Bob. I am so excited it is being shipped from Austin at this moment. I want to be safe on it and feel I should be able to right it if I go out in it alone which I would like to do at times. I wonder if I will be able to do that. Time will tell. I will let you know. " Up the Rebel"
Author:  Gringo [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:43 am ]
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Hi Joker,
I really wouldn't worry as much as you seem to be worrying about flipping a TI. Unless you are really pushing it, it's not going to go over while normal sailing. If the leeward ama should fold in due to the shear pin letting go or similar, yeah it might happen.
But this little boat should be pretty easy to right.

hey, it's only water.

If you're going to practice, I would just mention that it might be a good idea to make sure the water depth is more than mast height. I once stuck a Hobie 16 mast into the bottom of Mission Bay in San Diego myself....
Author:  Joker [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:54 am ]
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Thank you for your encouragement, I will be very careful to not go out in winds over 15. Is Mission Bay a good place to sail one and did you go out in the ocean in it? I was wondering with the early afternoon fog do you have a way to get back in the fog. The folks that went from San Pedro to Catalina, do they use a compass? How does that work? I would hate to get caught in the fog especially as we sail in the San Francisco Bay mostly and the for rolls in so fast. Thanks
Author:  Joker [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:00 am ]
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We should get our TI on Tuesday. Should we open it right then and there to make sure all the parts are there and there is no damage in shipping? Do we make the trucker wait while we do this? We have read on the blog people who get boats with missing parts and damaged hulls. How do we protect ourselves? Any advise out there?
Author:  johnmcneely [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:07 pm ]
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I received training in dinghy sailing from the Red Cross and the Coast Guard Auxiliary. I also learned to sail at the University of Texas at Austin. Their sailing club had very structured training at the time. The steps I learned were general for sailboats. I would modify them to fit the Adventure Island and Tandem Island but the steps were:

1. Establish voice contact with the crew (make sure they are responding and do not require first aid)
2. Swim the Bow of the boat into the wind (if you don't you could right the boat, it could catch the wind and take off.)
3. Uncleat sail control lines [sheet(s)]
4. Right the boat
5. Board the boat
6. Board the crew
7. Pickup items that may have floated off

(Be aware of the possibility of hypothermia especially if it is windy are you are wet. Get to shore and shelter and get out of the wet clothing and warm up.)

My two cents.

John
Author:  Gringo [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:44 pm ]
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I think being wet is a given. Based upon our kayak sailing so far, getting wet is part of the Hobie experience....if you're doing it right.
Author:  Joker [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: how to right a capsized mirage tandem island?
Thank you, that is very clear. How is it sailing in Austin in a TI? We were thinking of going there this winter.
Author:  Gringo [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:30 pm ]
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The lakes are incredibly low right now around Austin.
Author:  Trabboch [ Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:53 pm ]
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How far will they heel over before they go past the point of no return
Author:  kayakman7 [ Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:29 pm ]
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Trabboch wrote:
How far will they heel over before they go past the point of no return


I've been to forty ~ fifty degrees running light and solo in a squall on my TI. It's much less stable single but I'm really starting to trust the boat. At this point, I almost wonder if the TI can be tipped without totally overdriving the boat. Maybe, supprise gusts or changes in wind direction...

Maintain an appropriate amount of sail for conditions and your skill level and you should be fine. The boat has many safety features, a flexible mast which spills wind, a cat rig that depowers when you tighten the sheet, weather helm so the boat will point upwind without constant rudder corrections, and a very stable and strong platform.

The boat will likely handle any weather you can or dare to...

Cheers,

J
Author:  Trabboch [ Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:15 am ]
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I recon we had the at 70/80deg and just managed to recover it and turn to wind, also when sailing the ai we have had the ama/aka under the water with the vaka starting to fly,

We cant wait to get them out on the sea west coast of scotland, very nice sailing
Author:  Joker [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:10 am ]
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We are sailing in Sebastian Fl. It is wonderful. Thank all of you for calming my fears. I feel. Totally safe and in control, we go sailing every day. One problem I have is gripping the rope to pull the sail in. It is so small I have a hard time pulling it. I do better with gloves but it is still hard for me. Any way to rig it from the rear seat?
Joker
Author:  tonystott [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:53 am ]
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Page 13/14 of the Tandem Island Manual shows how to convert the mainsheet to 3 to 1, a 50% reduction in effort.
3:1 Mainsheet Conversion
The Hobie Mirage Tandem Island is designed to
have mainsheet operation from both the front and
rear seating positions. To make the mainsheet setup
easier on the hands, you can change how much pulley
advantage you have from a 2:1 to a 3:1. Follow the
directions below to make the purchase change.
1. Decide what seat you would like to operate the
mainsheet from. By changing how the lines are run, you
will only be able to control the sail from one of the seats.
Most solo operation of the boat is from the back seat, so
these instructions are set up that way. You can easily
make the 3:1 mainsheet operation from the front seat
using the basic guidelines of these instructions.
2. Untie the knot that is keeping the mainsheet from
pulling through the front crossbar cleat.
3. With the front mainsheet control
loose, pull that line completely
through the pulley system so that
you have the line coming through
the rear crossbar clean and
around the block with the remaining
line in your hand.
4. Take the end of the line
and run it to the back of the
boat, underneath the akas,
and through the forward-most
cheek block.
5. Follow the pictures below to see how the line is fed
through the blocks."
Author:  Herbaldew [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:27 am ]
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Joker wrote:
Any way to rig it from the rear seat?
Joker


Check out this post: Back Seat TI Furling - advice please!.
Author:  Joker [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: how to right a capsized mirage tandem island?
How do we rig an easier purchase for the furling line, such as 2 to 1? Joker
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