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 Post subject: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:05 am 
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This question is for you v2 island owners I have a factory AI and to separate the AMA'S from the hull in the front are a breeze squeeze buttons and they separate very easy, however the rear one are very hard to separate I squeeze pull and tug and it is a royal pain to separate. The manager where i bought them said they are pretty much all like that. Is there a secret to separating the rear one I have tried oil and it did not help. the only thing that works is pliers to hold the release button and a lot of muscle. Any tips

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:34 am 
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I use battery pliers. They save a lot of frustration. If you have strong hands, they serve the same purpose.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:13 pm 
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You've seriously got to question whether these new aka inserts aren't a backlward step. The old pin style ones were a little difficult, but that's as bad as it got, as long as you sprayed a bit of WD40 on the pins once in a while. Also, they never came out spontaneously. Now people are having to carry a tool just to remove their akas.
Sydney was brought to a standstill in peak hour traffic recently, when an electrical fault in an Audi caused it to stall on a major freeway. A tow-truck couldn't shift it because its electronic hand brake and anti-theft steering were both locked. It took two hours for a second tow-truck to get to it through the ensuing traffic jam.
Sometimes more complex technology just makes things more.....complex.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:16 pm 
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I like the new, insertable akas. I don't like that I can't get one out by hand occasionally, but, I think that is partly because I'm not as strong as I was 20 yrs ago. They are so much easier to install than the pin version, that I am willing to put up with having to use a tool occasionally to remove one.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:07 pm 
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Chacun à son gout, eh Butch.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
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Dictionaire!

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Thanks for the replys is pliers the only answer Matt any suggestions? Chris I am fortunate to have an island with the v1 as well as the v2 but it sounds like everyone that responded has this problem. The v1 are easier to take off than the new v2 but harder to put on? Matt help a brother out



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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:00 am 
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Likely the aka arm is twisted in the crossbar - lift up on the aka with it folded back - this will get it back in alignment and release easily. No lube is required, it is just from having the ama folded back and the weight of the ama twisting the aka inserted into the crossbar - this will bind slightly the release mechanism. Should be other posts and tech notes on the FAQ page regarding this as well:
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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:27 am 
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Jacque that is a good suggestion, and seems to explain some people’s observation that the stuck aka needs to be “twisted.”

Butch, I’m not sure the V2’s are harder to get off. Last time I was out, all 4 released easily by hand.

I'm still carrying my pliers until I determine that Jacque's suggestion solves the problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:04 am 
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Mine sometimes need a little twist and bump with the heel of my hand but usually come off easy.

Sometimes it helps move the ama a little fore or aft if the aka is stubborn.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:48 am 
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Yep, twisted is what they do, they may not have been aligned when you set off and then you undo one and the other takes the weight and twists more and thats when you can't get them undone! I try and check the buttons are in the correct place when I set off.

There does seem to be a fair amount of play in the fittings and we are probably in a hurry when we set off :mrgreen: .


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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:08 pm 
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I'm interested to hear opinions re new Ama's so far I've heard that they fill up with "muck" when you roll the hull over to drain the deck before loading on the car and "muck" hard to clean out. I noticed a little movement in the joint and wonder if it creates any noise at sea? Any other issues, and what are the pro's?


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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:30 pm 
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pros:
1) They're slightly easier to insert.
2) Hmmm, I don't think there is a 2.

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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:25 pm 
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There is a 2)! :wink:
2)- They are shock absorbing.
Because they can twist, the shock to the crossbars is reduced. This should eliminate the problem of play developing (as in the pin type aka).
Because of this, the new design is also quieter. You don't get that annoying banging from the loose aka pin. 8)

The other 'issue' could be rivets coming loose where the aka bar is attached to the knuckle. My TI is 21 months old and has a few loose rivets, though it hasn't become a problem yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Island rear Ama's
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:29 pm 
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So when the rivets become loose you get............

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