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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:00 pm 
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A good friend was kind enough today to let me try his 2013 TI amas on my 2012 AI hull before I went out and bought them. The front AI aka does not reach far enough into the TI ama to be secure but the back one does, so I borrowed his TI front aka for the test drive. It fit fine into the AI hull. After reviewing the batboat, I began to play with options to reinforce the strength of the front akas and prevent them from folding back. All it took was a firm tight nylon line from the padeyes located near the handle on each ama nun forward to the padeye at the bow. This eliminated any play and it felt very solid. So the only modification was these two pieces of rope and four caribiners. No holes drilled or power tools needed. I would have pictures but I soaked my phone in saltwater and it is DOA at the this point.


The Test Drive: I sailed in 10-15 mph winds and 2 ft waves in the Gulf of Mexico. Not the worst of conditions but still a test. The added stability was everything I had hoped for. I turned that boat sideways to every gust and wave I could fine and never once felt the boat try to lift up. I was also able to put my 220 # frame out on the tramps without the tramps feeling like they might give way. I could easily sit on the tramps now. Just by putting a Type 4 cushion out on the tramp, I could keep from siting in any water at all. I won't be able to judge if I lost any speed or any ability to point until I have a chance to sail with another AI. But i don't think I did. The boat handled and steered normally. I am sold on buying the TI amas and front akas after today's experience.


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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:22 pm 
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My experience on the Batboat was it was much smoother even in rougher 3-5 foot wind waves. Great fun! :)

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 10:21 am 
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Yea I trying maximize for safety offshore fishing in the Gulf and at the oil rigs. The ama stabilizing ropes did such a good job that I was able to sail upwind as well as surf waves with the aka brace disconnected without movement of the TI amas and akas. I can thank a poster on the Haka thread for that idea. Call me paranoid, but I could use the extra stability offshore in those 3 foot waves and taller swells.


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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 11:41 am 
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If you want to practice for those little waves :) come visit us in Hawaii and we'll go out sailing together. 5-7 foot today (not unusual), but I am enjoying them from my deck, not my AI's and TI today. The Batboat mod does seem to beef up the AI. Try adding Haka and you'll never go back. Also, a Sprayskirt will help hold the front similar to your lines in lighter conditions. Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:52 pm 
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Wow Bob! Smokin offshore winds blowin off those cane fields. Wouldn't be surprised if you were pelted with red dirt that day. ;-)

I was out on an 18ft cat when they started to blow yesterday. Got in just in time.

Vet, Akas can collapse forward too, so don't put 100% faith in those guylines.

I'm stoked you like the Batboat mod and are doing it to the newer AI hull. Best Haka ride you can get.


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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:01 pm 
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I'd give up the calmer Gulf waters for Hawaii anytime.

Nohuhu- Thanks for you prior experimenting. I may not have taken the leap were it not for the batboat.
Bought the TI amas today. Anyone want some cheep papaya AI amas?


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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:05 pm 
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I'd give up the calmer Gulf waters for Hawaii anytime.

Nohuhu- Thanks for your prior experimenting. I may not have taken the leap were it not for the batboat.
Bought the TI amas today. Anyone want some cheep papaya AI amas?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Have you taken any photos of your bigger set up yet??? love to see them ..It sounds really good from a couple of points ...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:32 am 
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Here are the pictures and a video showing the Tandem amas on a 2012 AI. I use the Tandem amas when sailing offshore or in rough conditions and they have been a great way to stabilize the boat. You will need two Tandem front akas and both AI back akas since the front AI akas don't reach the bottom of the TI amas. You should also add safety lines to the akas for extra support.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:24 pm 
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Great boat you have there! Kudos for the safety lines too.

What was the total conversion cost?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:48 pm 
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The two TI ama and front akas set me back just over $800.

I had to drill into my head the new capsize routeen since the lines will need to be released as part of the process of righting the boat. I'm banking on that never happening. After a month or more of weekly sailing offshore, I can say that I've never felt an ama lift up let alone give me a scare. I'm feeling pretty comfortable out there.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:50 pm 
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Doesn't it ride SO Smooth! And the Sprayskirt looks great on it too! Nice!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:04 pm 
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Sweet ride... Plenty of supermodel carrying capacity now.

In the waves, it should be near perfect balance and no nose diving. Let us know?

You may want to include a righting line in your bag of tricks. One or two Hobie tiedown straps would work fine


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:19 pm 
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Dear Mr. Alter, Can you please supply me with a set of the new 2014 LAMAs (20 foot long amas) for my TI, as my local AI sailors are now laughing at my puny TI ones :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS. Also, when will the 7 foot long (wide beam) akas be available?I want my TI to have a 17 foot beam to match its 20 foot length. (oh yes, AND the 22 foot mast & appropriate sail too eh?)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh heck...Since my mates Johnno and Bruce are both so keen to join me, when will you release the TrI? (That's Triple Island) :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:30 pm 
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Well, here in mid South Costa Rica, wind is not an issue and I fail to see what the TI amas would do to improve the performance of an AI, other than to be a negative impact in more weight/resistance under pedal propulsion.
8) Elvis

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