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 Post subject: define "reach" please!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:58 pm 
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Many of you AI/TI owners often refer to a particular point of sail you call a "reach". (This may be common on the sailing forums as well - but I don't follow those.)

I just completed Hobie University here in Dallas. In that training we were given names for the various points of sail:

1) Close hauled
2) Close reach
3) Beam reach
4) Broad reach
5) Run

So that us newbies can follow your conversations, which of these are you referring to when using the term "reach"? Are there common terms for all the other points of sail?

BTW - due to high winds (>20) on our on-the-water days - we were only allowed to sail Hobie Islands!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:04 pm 
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Sailing but not Close Hauled or on a Run?? :)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:20 pm 
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A reach is a broad span from close hauled to a DDW run. A close reach is to windward, upwind. A beam ream puts you pretty much at 90 degrees to the wind. A broad reach is further off the wind, downwind.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:41 pm 
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KayakingBob wrote:
Sailing but not Close Hauled or on a Run

KB has put it most simply.

Here is link to a straight-forward discussion of the terms. I believe most people use these basic terms, although sailing has a pretty wide array of jargon, which adds a lot of refinements. http://sailing.about.com/od/learntosail/ss/Pointsofsail.htm

If a forum post uses a comment like, “we were on a reach,” it could be any of the 3 “reach” positions you mention: close, beam, broad, and anywhere in between. It is not “close hauled” or a downwind “run,” as KB said.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:24 pm 
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When used to brag, it means you were going really fast. :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 12:50 am 
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And there I was all this time thinking it was what seasick people did over the side! :lol: :lol: (only jokin' KB already nailed it perfectly)

If you register on http://www.ncka.org (norcal kayak anglers) there is a great "sailing 101" type article called "Hobie Adventure Island Sailing Basics", By Scott Gee (Great Bass 2)

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 9:31 am 
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:45 pm 
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Here's another illustration with a birds eye view of the angle of the sail to the centerline of the boat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_sail

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English: Points of sail. The arrow represents the direction of the wind. The red is the "no sail zone" because it is impossible to sail into the wind.
A. No Go Zone — 0-30°
B. Close Hauled — 30-50°
C. Beam Reach — 90°
D. Broad Reach — ~135°
E. Running — 180°

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:59 pm 
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Notice in this chart that the sail on each side is at about the same angle to the wind, but just the boat's direction changes. It was a lightbulb :idea: moment many years ago when I recognized this.

Salty Dawg wrote:
Here's another illustration with a birds eye view of the angle of the sail to the centerline of the boat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_sail

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English: Points of sail. The arrow represents the direction of the wind. The red is the "no sail zone" because it is impossible to sail into the wind.
A. No Go Zone — 0-30°
B. Close Hauled — 30-50°
C. Beam Reach — 90°
D. Broad Reach — ~135°
E. Running — 180°

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 5:30 pm 
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I'm probably more guilty than anyone for shortcut terms. Basically I use reach as a general term with the wind around 90 degrees, which is probably the worst point of sail on my boat and I try to avoid. with the wind coming from around 90 deg, I just call it a reach.
Bob


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:58 pm 
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In the "Hobie U" classes I attended, we were taught that a beam reach (90 degrees) is the most powerful point of sail for a catamaran. I can vouch for that. The one I got a chance to crew on (in 20+ knot winds) took off like a rocket on a beam reach!

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 12:07 am 
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Good info there. Got to admit,I've only really used three terms for the point of sail. Tagging, reaching, and running.

And as most of us will have found, running square with an island is pretty hopeless due to no boom....

Agree with Kb. Once I realized that the sail does not effectively move relative to the wind, I understood the whole sailing thing a lot better.


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