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 Post subject: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 4:47 pm 
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Location: Delaware Coast
I just visited their site to order an anchor and see that the red model is now available in the US.

Has anyone tried this model with a TI? I would also like to know if they will fit thru the T-n-S hatch (guess I want to know if the blue one will fit also in case that is what I end up getting).

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UPDATE:

2.5 months later:

I used the red anchor for about a month total. It held quite good but not perfect. The main problem I have with it is that even when connected straight to a rope without any snap, it was getting a grip around two out of three tries.

I have used the blue anchor for about a month and a half. It has got a grip and held perfectly every time I have used it. I never wanted an anchor, but the day of my OP, my stake out pole came out while I was retrieving the trailer - it turned into a very bad day! I still use my stake out pole but lay the anchor next to the boat for a backup incase that scenario every plays out again.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 5:55 pm 
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Both anchors will fit through a twist n stow hatch though the larger anchor will require a bit of rotating while sliding to get it in and out of the way.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:27 am 
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I bought the small red model. It worked fine the first time I used it in mild conditions.

I tried it this weekend in sustained 20 mph wind and 2.5 ft waves and didn't have the same luck. First off, I had a shackle on the anchor and a spring hook on the end of my anchor rope. This is a no no especially with the small model. It only weighs 230g and the shackle/snap weighs 80g. Hooked straight to the anchor that weight tends to pull it over on its side preventing it from digging in properly. Using a section of rope tied directly to the anchor before adding a shackle, snap or chain will alleviate this problem (Kinda like the instructions say to do, doh :oops: ).

Even after it got a grip this weekend, it let me creep along and broke loose altogether once (maybe due to the above configuration it never got a good grip?). After discussing it with Jon Cooper @ Cooper Anchors, given the weight of the loaded TI and the amount of surface it presents to the wind and wave to be pushed on, I am trading this anchor in for the blue 1 Kg model. I read somewhere that the red had been recommended for a TI but the red is intended for a canoe or kayak - the blue for PWC. A loaded TI is much closer to a PWC in weight and has a lot more surface to be pushed on by wind and wave so the blue is probably the correct choice unless you are just going to use it in mild conditions.

Kudos to Cooper Anchor for their outstanding customer support :D


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 Post subject: Re: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:52 pm 
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It depends a lot on the density of the sand. In some areas even the blue cooper won't hold.
If I can shove a stakeout pole in about a metre I know the anchors won't hold. In this post
viewtopic.php?f=71&t=51246
I could only shove the pole in about a foot. The red cooper stopped the TI dead in about 10 knots of breeze and in testing with the drive in backwards I could not drag it.
But as I (and Tony) mentioned in the above post it is crucial not to weight the anchor with a shackle ...just use rope (and not floating rope either!) and make sure you have enough scope.
I agree that the blue cooper is a better choice for the TI and yet I find I use the red more often. All depends on what your usage is.


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 Post subject: Re: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:07 am 
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Hi All,

I bought a Cooper blue anchor for my AI about a year and a half ago. For storing is I bought a rope tidy bag from Burke Marine, http://www.burkemarine.com.au/product.php?prod_id=46 and a couple of bungee ball ties. In this bag I can easily fit 50m of 6mm rope and 3m of 6mm chain. I've found that it fits perfectly in front of the mirage drive, without interfering with the pedals, and the bungee ties go around the front aka cross bar to secure it. So no opening hatches. photos attached.
To get the anchor to and from the bow I used a ring at the bow a jammer at the cockpit, and rope with a clip. The last photo, kind of shows the arrangement
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 Post subject: Re: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:01 am 
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Here is mine setup:
Blue Cooper Anchor and Divers Reel with 80M Line

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 Post subject: Re: Cooper Anchors
PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:37 pm 
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Johnny, you have connected the chain to the anchor in such a way that the performance of the anchor will be compromised. The design of these plastic anchors relies on the concentration of the lead weight inside it, to allow the point of the anchor to bury into sand. The additional weight of chain lying along the top of the anchor like that will cause the anchor to lie on its side, rather than digging into the seabed. If you look at the diagram from Cooper's own website posted elsewhere in this thread, you will see that Cooper does not connect chain directly to the anchor, for this reason.

Also, the only time the anchor line should be connected to that hole near the head of the anchor, and secured at the tail by a zip-tie, is if you are specifically using the anchor in reef areas, where the abundance of snags on the bottom may require "tripping" the anchor by breaking the zip-tie. In all other conditions, I have found the anchor easy to trip just by pedalling over it (or even upwind a bit), and giving it a sharp tug. I initially had it set up with a zip tie like yours, but security of the anchoring then becomes a juggle between the potential for needing to break the zip tie to retrieve the anchor and it breaking by itself under strong pressure from wind and/or tide. I would never leave my TI unattended lying at anchor where a zip tie was used, for this reason.

They are great anchors though, and being plastic makes them ideal for our Islands.

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