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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:16 pm 
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A set of tell tails flying off the upper third leech can show you when you over sheet. They will hook to the back side and stay there when over sheeted (leech hooked to weather). The right sheet tension typically causes the tell tails to flow aft then wrap to lee and repeat... alternating.

From catamaran sails, but same idea. These are all I look at once pointing high and moving... Work like fine sheet adjustment tell tails:

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Tell Tails are used for a variety of wind indications:

Up high on the top of the mast or on a support stay (shrouds, forestays and bridles on catamarans), would be free to indicate apparent wind direction and undisturbed by the sails.

In the body of the sail to indicate air flow over the sail surface.

On the leech of the sail help to indicate under or over sheeting as well as sail twist.

We simply place the basic sail body ones as a starter. These are the most common used in sailing. I like the leech tails and always have a free swinging wind indicator if I'm racing. I have a couple of diagrams that might help. Designed for Catamarans, but really similar on all sails.

How to place them:
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How to use them:
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The basics are to try and get both standard tells flowing. I would rather see the windward one stall than the lee side. Sheet out or change course until they flow. Then sheet in a bit.

The upper 3rd of the sail is a good location for "leech" tell tails. If you sheet too hard the tell tail will wrap to the lee side. Not sheeting hard enough and the tell tail flows straight aft. The right sheet tension typically causes the tell tails to flow aft then wrap to lee and repeat... alternating. Very difficult to get it all flowing correctly on a Kayak sail due to the limited tension and sheeting controls and no traveler. Catamarans have battens, downhaul, outhaul, and travelers on the sheeting systems... all work together to trim properly for different points of sail (directions you are sailing compared to the wind).

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:53 pm 
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So would you recommend putting tells on the leech of a TI/AI if it's difficult to get the right flow?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:14 pm 
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That looks like a pretty simple and inexpensive upgrade that will help my sailing dynamics!

I use the tell tails in the body of the sail all the time, however, when it's partially furled these obviously don't do much good. I understand that when these are straight back, this is the most efficient. However, my understanding is that if you want to point higher into the wind, you're not going to have the most efficient flow of air across the sail, so these main body tell tails become irrelevant. Having the leech tell tails appear to allow you to adjust in these situations. (Please correct me if anything I've said is not accurate.)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:41 pm 
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I found it a lot easier to get all leech telltails working on my Holland 25 or J24, due to the airflow from the headsail improving the airflow over the back of the main sail. With a una rig like an Island, it is a little harder, but definitely still worth pursuing.

I was once lucky enough to spend an afternoon on my quarter tonner with a couple of North Sails experts, and they set up my main sail, and sent photos back to San Diego to compare with the base data. One thing I noticed was that when sailing "perfectly" to windward, the windward telltail would be angled up about 20 degrees from parallel with the leeward one.

The only time I "pinch" closer to windward is when I am really close to avoiding needing another tack to clear an obstacle. All other times, VMG will be at its best when the sail can work properly with all telltails streaming.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:45 am 
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TI_Tom wrote:
So would you recommend putting tells on the leech of a TI/AI if it's difficult to get the right flow?


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