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 Post subject: No wind options?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:15 pm 
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Other than a small OB, what are the no wind options when sailing a cat?
I've heard of "sculling" the rudders but that looks like it would be hard on the assembly after a while. Can you paddle a cat with a long canoe paddle or oar?

I have a Getaway if that's relevant.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:10 am 
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I carry a small paddle under the tramp. If the wind dies, I just lay ove the ront cross bar and pull with the paddle. It is actually very easy to paddle a hobie because they are so streamlined.

Make sure you rig something to keep the rudders straight, otherwise you will end up paddling in circles.

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 Post subject: Paddle like a surf board
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:34 am 
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Harder on a Getaway because the hulls are deeper, but I always lay out on the bow and paddle like a surfboard. On a 16 with a long tiller I can usually steer with my feet too.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:46 am 
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Good tip Matt. I don't know how I never thought of that. I've spent a couple of afternoon's sunbathing on my Hobie and being late for work because of no wind.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:57 am 
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I bungie two collapsable paddles under the wings on the 18 for those no wind days. If you tie the crossbar down so the boat moves forward you can get good speed with two paddlers. A fellow sailor has collapsable paddles that are small enough to fit in the bag in the port hole. Either way thay are always on board if the wind dies. The Canadian small craft rules require at least one paddle on board at all times.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:02 am 
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I make my crew do the 'surfing' paddle while I sit on the back and steer and drink warm beer.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:25 pm 
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xanderwess wrote:
I make my crew do the 'surfing' paddle while I sit on the back and steer and drink warm beer.


I like the crew doing the paddling but get yourself a softsided cooler from California Innovations, cold beer is much better!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:28 pm 
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marcusc130 wrote:
Good tip Matt. I don't know how I never thought of that. I've spent a couple of afternoon's sunbathing on my Hobie and being late for work because of no wind.


I assume that there is a downside to this at some point :roll: :lol:

Actually there is a trick to "sculling" the rudders. You can get you up a good head of steam and it is not that hard on the assembly. The trick is to move the rudders only through about a third of an arc with a forceful, more "deliberate", yank on the tiller as you come into the arc and ease-off as you come out ot the arc. Do this with a good steady rhythm.

You can also "gunnel jump" any boat. On a Hobie stand with your weight forward of the cross bar and push up and down with your weight until the hull starts to hobby-horse up and down. Again, like sculling, you should push down more forcefully and let the boat come back up easily. The rocking hull forces water to the stern and gives you forward motion.

Challenge- in a canoe or kayak, stand near the stearn on the gunnels while hopping up and down- if you stay upright long enough, you will move along pretty good. (See the Boy Scout Canoeing Merit Badge manual for more detail) 8)

happy sails- ( 32 degrees and snow flurries here)

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 Post subject: movin the boat
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:36 pm 
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i have spent many long days baking on hobies in the middle of the neuse river and have tried both the "surfboard paddle" and sculling and have discovered if you dont lock the rudders down, but leave them out as far as possible it seems to be the most efficient use of your energy to get the boat goin, but if i have a choice i wouldnt take a hobie out in less than 15 kts.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:40 am 
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I've even used a dagger board as a paddle on my 18. Not my first choice, but I left the paddle at home in a fit of stupidity. It is tiring, but with 2 people on board you can at least keep the boat moving.

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 Post subject: No wind options
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:45 am 
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As noted above, Canadian Small Craft rules mandate that small boats carry a paddle, a bailer (not for Hobie's), a sounding device (Foxx whistle,) and a bouyant heaving line. Also, a PFD for each person on board. Our Club has followed these rules for years BEFORE they came into effect.

A canoe (or fold up) paddle works great. Kneel on or ahead of the front cross and paddle away. Paddling in between the hulls works best, even solo. Releasing the rudders is good too. About three years ago, on a warm day, we ended up around 1 1/2 miles away from the beach. It took us an energetic 30 minutes to get back, using one paddle. Once you get up to speed, its easy.

Good to learn about the boy scout method, and better when we all check the weather forecasts carefully.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:05 am 
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I just lock the rudders out straight back and gently swing them back and forth. I get a little more side-to-side than I'd like, but they arc out and lever well enough that you don't need much arm speed at all... I mash the tiller around way harder sailing than I do "paddling". This is single handed, though... if I had any more people I'd make them paddle or swim =)


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 Post subject: Jeez, Paddle or Swim!
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:28 am 
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muench1, Is the name of your boat the "Bounty"? and did you say your real last name is Bligh ? :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:43 pm 
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I have a 16, i was thinking about installing ore locks to the tramp frame. then lashing ores under the tramp baised on wind conditions.

thoughts comments..........

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 Post subject: Oars on a H16?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:53 pm 
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You might also try a "yuloh", the Chinese have used them on their junks for millinia, TnT


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