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 Post subject: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:07 pm 
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hey, im looking to buy a hobie cat but cant decide on a 16 or an 18 the lake we are at is in iowa and there is alot of boat traffic and i will most likely be sailing alone so im leaning towards the 16 tho i know of the worries of pitch poling that just sounds fun in my book but then againg im sure the 18 would be a better candidate for the choppy and cross chopped waters our lake just seems to get busier every year we do own a capri 22 on that lake and love sailing it but i want a more exhilarating sail on when i can flip the boat and not worry of sinking and i have been on hobies before but i would like help decideing due to wave conditions thanks all, timmy

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:46 pm 
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If you are going single handle a cat, then you may consider a H17 SE or a Sport :idea: . H17 will be a bit better as pitch poling goes. One issue with sailing H18 alone is righting it. You basically need 2 people to right a H18, but there are righting devices you may get.

H16 would be surely most available, used or new. If you on the budget, this would be a good bet.

If money is no object, there is FX-One, a great single handler from Hobie Europe 8)

There is also Wave and 2 very innovative sailing kayaks, AI and TI.

Also checkout this thread

http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=41050

Good lock with your shopping,

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:20 am 
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Where are you at in Iowa?


The division 7 crowd up there is pretty cool.


http://www.hobiedivision7.com/


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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:07 pm 
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I agree, for a solo'r the H17 (or H17 Sport) is a great way to go. I soloed a 1979 H16 for many years prior to getting a 2000 H17Sport. The H17 is much less a pitchpoller than the H16. The H18 is a fairly heavy boat for soloing. The H17 is a great high wind boat and the Sport jib furles so you can depower when needed. Good hunting.


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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:29 pm 
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ok so i read a post today about the 17s and some guy was saying 185-200lbs was pushing for weight on the h17s this just cant be true also i would sail solo or with my dad i weigh 140ish and he is probably 240-260ish can i even right this boat if i sail alone? also can we trapeze on this boat?

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:37 pm 
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hobie12.7cat wrote:
some guy was saying 185-200lbs was pushing for weight on the h17s

This is just an optimum weight for racing. H17 capacity is 400lb.

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:42 pm 
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hobie12.7cat wrote:
i weigh 140ish and he is probably 240-260ish can i even right this boat if i sail alone?


A quick answer is NO, at 140lb you would have a real trouble to right a H17 or H 16 for that matter. My advice -- get a biggest righting bag you can buy, or get a Bravo instead.:wink:

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:44 pm 
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bravo is way to small for our lake remember our lake is very choppy from all of the boats, o and can we trapeze wire a h17 or h17 sport? if so how much weight can the mast handle?

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:58 pm 
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A Bravo is a great starter boat, we got one for my wife to learn on (we both like to solo, sailing alone together). The Bravo doesn't have near the performance of the H16, H17 or H18. My wife is 5'0" and 105 lbs so going to a larger cat would have been a challange, so we got her a Weta 14' trimaran (good performance - 3 sails, easy to right, good in heavy weather and has a huge capacity - 400 kg), but they are pricy (12.5K new, 8K+ used) and hasn't been on the market very long. We got hers 2 years ago, sail # 275. At 140 lbs righting a H16, even with a bag would be difficult (I'm 210 lbs and needed a bag to right mine). The H17 is easier to right, but you would still need a bag. The H18 is too big (heavy) a boat for your weight. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:13 pm 
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the bravo just doesnt have the performance i was looking for but im thinking h16 or h17 what would you guys say?

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:50 pm 
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hobie12.7cat wrote:
the bravo just doesnt have the performance i was looking for but im thinking h16 or h17 what would you guys say?


The best thing about the Bravo is you'll actually sail it. Simple to rig, simple to right, it can handle ocean waves, and I've taken it out on Lake Ontario regularly. There isn't a lake that's too big for the Bravo. I understand what you're saying about wanting a higher performance boat. But keep in mind that if you can't right it, you won't have fun.

One thing to keep in mind, if you want higher performance, but you won't be able to sail the H16 or H17 in higher winds, (because you won't be able to right them) than what's the point? You need higher winds, for higher performance. If you can safely and consistently right the boat, you'll sail it at a high level, and have more fun.

The worst thing you can do is buy a boat, have a great day for sailing, and have to sit it out because you bought too much boat for you to handle.

I completely understand that not everyone wants a Bravo, but why not try a Wave? You can right it, you can sail it in just about every wind, it's got capacity to take friends, and if you want to move up, you've got great experience sailing a cat.

My Bravo isn't my "forever boat" it's my "for now boat" and I can sail it anytime, fly a hull, and get performance that provides a lot of fun! The Bravo might be considered a lower performance Cat, but it's about as fast as a Laser, and that's considered a higher performance dinghy.

Just things to think about. Don't buy a boat that you can't sail. That's just not fun.

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:34 pm 
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ok i aquired a hobie from 1973 last year its a 12.7ft cat but it has wrong sail and has the wrong mast if i could find these parts and a new tramp do you think i could sail that on that lake?

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Agreed. I love my H16, but I keep the mast down and it is a challenge to step alone without a beach or a trailer. I generally won't sail unless someone is at the cottage to help me set it up.

I keep it on a floating dock as we have steel seawall all around.

Once it is up, it is an absolute blast to sail, and I sail alone mostly.

This year my wife promises to go out with me more. We will see.

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:08 pm 
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I rig and sail my 18 by my self, check out my videos on youtube.
http://youtu.be/dl7kZOQ5WQk
I know I can't right it by myself and have no righting bag so I just don't dump it. Ive had the boat 5 years and sail weekly and have had some close calls but never got wet.

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 Post subject: Re: 18 or 16
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hobie12.7cat wrote:
ok i aquired a hobie from 1973 last year its a 12.7ft cat but it has wrong sail and has the wrong mast if i could find these parts and a new tramp do you think i could sail that on that lake?



I have a Hobie 12 sail on ebay right now.

The Bravo and Wave would both be way too slow for me. If you feel the need for speed, look at a 16. Its a great boat to beat one, plenty available used for cheap. You will learn to prevent pitchpoling, there is also foils available that help prevent them. At 140 you will need a righting bag, I am 200 and can right the 16 by myself.

The 17 is a one person boat, no doubt about it.

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