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 Post subject: Monohulls... flying scot
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:43 am 
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So here is my dilemma... I've been sailing my H16 now for 6 years or so.. and my wife is coming along less and less. She says her knees are raw from the trampoline and it's just not a comfortable sailing experience for her. Also, getting in and out of the harbor is tricky.. and sometimes exhausting (read: paddle).

We'd also like to be able to take others along with us, the H16 is just not the right boat for that. I'm 6'1", 260... so with me on the boat, there is pretty much room for one other person and that is it. I sail solo a lot.. sometimes I have a friend come with. I love sailing the Hobie, it's exciting, fast, and fun... but there really isn't a good solution for pleasure sailing. I take a water bottle with when I'd like to take Corona or Red Stripe.

So, I'm contemplating looking at a monohull... not sure if I'd get rid of my Hobie or just have two boats... haven't figured that out yet... I'm just starting to think about alternatives.

I found a Flying Scot not too far from where I live here in Wisconsin, for sale... and it sounds like it's a racer.. spinnaker and the whole deal. Not sure if I'll join a yacht club and race it... but it's a possibility. Perhaps one of those husband/wife leagues or something. I don't really know any of the rules of racing, I just go sail and have a good time going as fast as I can.

So, I did a search here and I see some people here have sailed Scots and other monos... I'm looking for thoughts/opinions, etc. I know a lot of catsailors call them monoslugs... I realize the performance isn't going to be as exciting as my H16 is, but the options to have a little outboard motor and 4 people on the boat with a cooler of beer is an acceptable change.

Not to mention the options it opens up for possible sail-camping. Not to say it can't be done on the H16, but you're going to have a wet tent and wet gear. And I don't think our dog will stay on the trampoline, where as with a little bit of an internal seating area, she might be comfortable.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:07 am 
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The Flying Scot is a great boat and will crew easily with 3. For years I had a mono hull plus a Hobie and had a ball sailing both. Am also thinking about trading the Hobie in on a mono hull as I hit 65

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Thanks! Yeah, I'm 35... I'd totally rock the raw knees on the cat for awhile longer, but my wife isn't digging it. She spent a lot of time on a monohull as a kid with a full cabin in it.. and we've spent a fair bit of time on my Uncles' Tartan 43... so there is a bit of "wanting" for the luxury we have on his mono.

For me, I want something fast and fun. But enjoying a beer in the comfort of my cockpit is definitely something I'd enjoy, rather than trying to find a comfortable position that didn't put my legs to sleep. Also being able to enjoy it with my friends and family is important.

Not sure I can justify keeping both though. I just don't know if I have time for both. I hate to leave it sit all summer, I only used my Hobie twice this year. Thankfully, my current ramp location is free. If I buy a mono, I'll be paying a fee to keep it somewhere, most likely on Lake Winnebago... but I'd consider trailering it a bit possibly take it up to Door County to sail on Green Bay.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:08 am 
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A Hobie 18 with wings solves several of your issues and still has the performance of the 16 (or more). It is very comfortable sitting on the wing, the knees are not on the tramp much, it carries 3 easy (the wings also double your tramp space).

Just another option.

Monohulls are nice but a different experience.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:35 am 
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I sail a Getaway. Very comfortable and has a cooler in each hull (no reaching). One can sit on the hull and use the wings as a back rest.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:12 am 
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A Getaway with a motor and a spinnaker will solve your problems. Put passengers out on the trap, on the down wind side or one on each side in light air. 1st timers that get to trap out regardless of wind want to go again. A ride on a Scott elicts comments like that was very relaxing. A Getaway opens up the excitment of cat sailing. The spinnaker makes light wind days worth the effort. The Getaway spinnaker is easy, fun, and adds excitment. Raising and dousing the chute on a Scott is complex and the increase in speed and excitment is marginal.

Keeping the 16 and getting the Scott will probably be cheaper than the Getaway option, but don't give up the 16. An 18 is not a good choice to take out 1st timers. Don't plan on racing the Scott unless you have a good and reliable crew. A final note, when you go over in a Scott you will almost certainly have to be rescued/towed.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:30 pm 
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Chet3 wrote:
A Hobie 18 with wings solves several of your issues

+1

Another option is Hobie 17, which also has wings. H17 will be easier to handle at expense of load capacity -- up to 400 lb.

Barren wrote:
getting in and out of the harbor is tricky.. and sometimes exhausting (read: paddle)


Hobie TI will solve this problem, but it is a big performance downgrade comparing to H16.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:40 pm 
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Man, I feel your pain.
I had a Precision 16 daysailer years ago when my wife and I were still dating.
It was an awesome little boat, and we both loved it, but I got bored.
My friend's 18SX came up for sale and I jumped on it. I wasn't bored anymore, but now she rarely sails with me. Even though it's got wings, it is still a very wet, often hectic sailing style.

I guess the bottom line is, get 2 boats.

I can't speak for a Flying Scott, but I had a Buccaneer 18 and hated it. That Precision was great though, very comfortable and easy to sail. Wish I still had it.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:26 am 
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Barren wrote:
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We'd also like to be able to take others along with us, ...

So, I'm contemplating looking at a monohull...
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I realize the performance isn't going to be as exciting as my H16 is, but the options to have a little outboard motor and 4 people on the boat with a cooler of beer is an acceptable change.

Not to mention the options it opens up for possible sail-camping.
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UAH -- i "Wouldn't" do that !!!!

I learned on a 40ft Monohull, I use to teach at the Merchant-Marine
academy on 21ft Columbia's.

Nothing personal but, NO WAY could i go back to a Mono-hull now
that i'm addicted to cats ; and my world ranking with a cat is probably
somewhere in the bottom (0.0001%). For me it ain't an Ego thing ; cats
are just Way more versatile in what they can do, on all levels over a Mono.

Perhaps a cat with a bit More freeboard would be a better choice for Ya ?
Something like the Hobie 21, or a Stiletto or Reynolds could be more to
your liking ? They hold more people and camping is an even bigger
option with a boat that can be beached as easily as a cat.

Heaviest Mono-hull that my Toyota
Sienna can pull is 2,000Lb, with the tailor ; 2K-LB of Catamaran will
get Ya a rather LARGE boat , and it should go Way faster !!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:21 pm 
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Learned to sail and race on a Flying Scot, so there is a soft spot in my heart for them. I raced one again last summer and was shocked at how quickly they tacked compared with a cat. Makes them a bit more tactical on a short course. However, they're not too quick - as you might guess.

For smaller inland lakes, I think these boats (slower monohulls) make sense. I keep my H18 on an 800 acre lake and find it (the lake) to be too small. Even with a 1.5 mile straight shot, I'm having to tack every few minutes in good wind. Good or bad, I don't have that issue on FS.

Most important point is going to be what you want out of it. As a recreational day-sailor, it will be fun, but unless its really blowing hard, not too high on the adrenaline scale. If you want to race then you need to be sure there is a well-established fleet of other FS's. Competing against different boats via Portsmouth is not nearly as much fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:36 am 
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Thanks so much for the feedback everyone!

I think for the moment, we're sticking with the H16. Not sure what that means for bringing the wife along, but I do have a giant list of friends who all want rides on it...

Since I have a zero cost ramp right now, I think keeping the Hobie is a good plan... if I want to add a day sailor of some sort, I'll keep looking.

I've sailed on some bigger monos as well... I've spent weeks on the East coast sailing a Tartan 37 and a Tartan 43... and now recently, the 43 moved to Lake Michigan, so I'm doing some 3rd coast sailing on that. Not going to get that kind of sailing or luxury out of a smaller day sailor.. I'm well aware.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:18 am 
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Barren wrote:
Thanks so much for the feedback everyone!

I think for the moment, we're sticking with the H16.



Whether you decide to buy some monohull or not you should definitely keep your Hobie. They say true love cannot be replaced.

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