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 Post subject: Holder?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:39 pm 
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Matt can you tell us how many Holder 12' would have to be pre-paid on a order to do a production run of this great out of production boat? :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:25 pm 
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The 12' boat is nice, but gimmee a jib too! Bring back the Hobie One-14 aka the Hobie Holder.

- Rick


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 Post subject: Holder 12 or 14
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:27 pm 
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Holder 12 or 14...

No... and no.

We no longer have molds for those 1980's vintage boats.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:01 pm 
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Who has the molds and tooling for the 12'? :roll:

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 Post subject: Where?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:03 pm 
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They are in a landfill. They were cut up years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Where?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:44 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
They are in a landfill. They were cut up years ago.


That's a pity.... :cry: Some of us --like-- a mono-hull boat and the ability to stay dry on a cool day. Here in Idaho, July and August, sometimes September are hot enough to sail a "wet" boat (I had a nice time on a rented Bravo a couple of weeks ago), but to get more "season" out of a boat, I need something I can sail when the weather is not as hot.

I'm shopping for a used Holder, but if Hobie still made 'em, I might just pony up for a new one. Not all sailors live in California and Hawaii ya know...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:01 pm 
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With gas prices so high car topable 12 would be a nice choice. I am sure sailing is going to get a more attention now that marinas are selling gas for over 3.50 a gal.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:36 am 
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You can sail a wet boat pretty much anytime the water is not frozen over. I have sailed for 4 years on the Norht Shore of Boston in Salem, MA. My season was Mid-April/Early-May through October. Some of the best sailing is Spring and Fall. Take the money you would spend on a brand new boat and buy the appropriate gear to stay warm.

On warmer days I would wear a wetsuit and cooelr days a drysuit. Even in August I still donned thw wetsuit because the water was so cold.

For someone who has the funding, air temperature should not limit you to only three months of sailing each year becasue you don't want to get wet.

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 Post subject: For you maybe...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:59 am 
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Hobie Nick wrote:
You can sail a wet boat pretty much anytime the water is not frozen over.

For someone who has the funding, air temperature should not limit you to only three months of sailing each year becasue you don't want to get wet.


Maybe so...if...you are athletic and don't mind wearing a wet suit so you can pursue your sport. On the other hand, those of us...ahem.. older sailors with a wife and kids might still like to get out for a sail in the cooler months. The Holder (aka Hobie One-14) was a perfect family boat that could also be sailed single handed and in a good breeze provide some thrills. Hobie has obviously targeted their products at a younger crowd. Some of us think trampolines belong in the gym, not on a sailboat (grin) and prefer a boat we can sit -in-, not -on-.

Bring back the Holder!!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:02 am 
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I totally understand the family thing. I am fortunate in that my better half actually likes the Hobie. When we first met my freinds told her thta unless I was a boat or on a boat she would never see me. Good thing she likes being on boats.

As for age being an issue I have heard from sailors on this and another cat forum who are in thier 70's and still sailing. They do, however, live in warmer climes.

As for not being too athletic. I am a big guy to begin with, but her cooking is adding a whole new texture to my physique. As long as you can gt close to touching your toes (at least below the knees) you should be able to handle a Hobie.

There are enough things in life keeping us off the water, so it bums me out when I hear people finding reasons on thier own.

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 Post subject: Holder is dryer?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:56 am 
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Yes, yes, yes, no and yes. Whatever. All small boat saiing is 'wet' sailing.

Ottawa, Ontario, the Nation's Capital, is the second coldest capital city in the world. Check it out. Only Ulan Bator in Outer Mongolia is colder. Yet we manage to sail from early May to early November. Sure, the shoulder seasons mandate wetsuits for safety reasons, and my wife often thinks I am nuts, so what else is new? To make up for it, at New Year's, we rent a Hobie in Pompano Beach, and my wife once again starts to believe that I am somewhat sane.

Is this why wings were invented?

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 Post subject: How about the Bravo?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:21 am 
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How about the Bravo?

12 foot car toppable... mono hull like deck, but speed and stability of a cat.

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http://www.hobiecat.com/sailing/models_bravo.html

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 Post subject: Cold
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:37 pm 
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I have sailed on everything from a Sunfish to H-16, 18, 20. Monohulls from 24 ft to 68 ft. All sailboats are wet boats in some form or another.


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 Post subject: Bravo is pretty wet
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:46 pm 
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I rented a Bravo recently and had a good time with it, but it is -definately- a wet boat, I'm guessing even more so than a Hobie with a trampoline. There are holes in the hull so that everytime you hit even a little choppy water, water surges up through the holes and gets your butt wet. It was nice on a hot day, but I wouldn't want to sail it if the weather was in the 60's or below.

Not only that, but you sit -on- , not -in- a Bravo. A full day sailing would leave me tired of clambering around on what is a hard deck, probably more so than the trampoline. The Holder had seats, even such that you had a backrest. I could sail all day in that boat, even on a cool day and be dry and comfortable.

Not to disparage the current Hobie line - they are fun boats for warm weather or for the more athletic who don't mind donning a wet suit if need be. They just aren't a good fit for me, a 50+ guy who is "built for comfort, not for speed." <grin>.

I'll keep shopping for a good used Holder, maybe a Lido 14, or if funding permitted, one of the smaller Hunter boats. I was just wishfully thinking Hobie might produce a nice dry monohull or better, bring back the Holder.

If anyone has a line on a used Holder, please refer me. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Where?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:08 am 
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Matt, can you tell us how many Holder 12' would have to be pre-paid on a order to do a production run of this great out of production boat?

The 12' boat is nice, but gimmee a jib too! Bring back the Hobie One- 14 aka the Hobie Holder.

MM- Holder 12 or 14... No... and no.
We no longer have molds for those 1980's vintage boats.

Who has the molds and tooling for the 12'?

MM- They are in a landfill. They were cut up years ago.



Whew - My heart is heavy with greif at that news. :(

Well, there's always these guys:

http://home.comcast.net/~vagabondsailing/

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HobieHolder/

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Holder12/

and also

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HV17

I guess the ghost still lives in the hearts of us monoslug lovers.


Vagabond Sailing :wink:


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