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 Post subject: Quick Pin Applications
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:57 am 
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Does anyone have experience with quick release pins - either spring loaded or with an actual locking mechanism?


Automatic style:
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Locking Mechanism style:
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I have to completely step and rig from and to the trailer each time I sail, so I'm looking for anything that can shorten the prep and takedown time. Specific applications I'm considering are the gudgeons, gooseneck, mast rotation limiter clasp, and tiller connection. Has anyone used quick release pins in each case?

Will the $8 automatic style hold well enough in these applications or do I need to spring for the $20+ locking pins? Are quick pins suitable for high-load applications? (I don't know that I'd be comfortable using them on bridle wires, mainsheet, or outhaul, but I'm curious if they'd work.)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:11 am 
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I use the locking style all over the boat. I have never had one fail. They do require cleaning and some lube after several years in the salt water. I prefer the ones with a flared top and no handle. Forestay, boom attachment, main blocks, outhaul, downhaul, everywhere. Most of mine have a small hole drilled in the lip for a safety string, just in case it falls out.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:22 am 
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Can I ask why you prefer the flared "deluxe" pins to the ones with the loop? Initial benefit seems to be protecting the plunger from accidental release, but, as you mentioned, it would be a good idea to drill a hole. With the ones pictured it would be easy to add a lanyard.

I appreciate your input and just want to do all my homework before investing in the costly (but probably worth it) pins.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:51 am 
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I use Quick pins in lots of places. I do however like the toggle type for the forestay, just seems like it would be harder for it to get out. Top of page 30 in the Murray's catalog. I also use M on page 31 for my halyards as well as a snap shackle on the upper main block.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:28 am 
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I sail a Hobie 18.
For speed and ease of use, I use a locking style quickpin on the forestay when stepping and lowering the mast, but I back it up with the D Shackle that attaches the foot of the jib when the boat is fully rigged
I use a automatic style where the goosneck of the boom attaches to the mast.
I use a locking style quickpin to attach and release the mainsail to the outhaul car on the boom.

Those are the only places I use quickpins, and I Never Never Never depend on a quickpin for use on "standing Rigging"

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:14 am 
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Thanks for all the input - does anyone have any stories of quick pins (locking or automatic) releasing accidentally?

I definitely agree with the standing rigging rule.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:01 pm 
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I have never had one fail completely. I have, on occasion, had the balls get dirty and stick. They can stick in or out. Its important to keep them clean. I sail in the ocean 99% of the time and salt is hard on everything.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:29 pm 
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H20 GWoT wrote:
Thanks for all the input - does anyone have any stories of quick pins (locking or automatic) releasing accidentally?


Yes. I used one last year to connect the lower block to the traveler car on my mainsheet. In a jibe in stiff wind it ripped the thing in two. No damage to anything else, just the quick pin. I won't use one there again.

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 Post subject: arc 22
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:06 am 
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The ARC 22 I was racing in St. Thomas had them on the shrouds in order to facilitate a shroud extender (righting system). One came off and the shroud was dangling in the wind. Had we not noticed and tacked, the whole rig would have come down.

That would have been catastrophic, as it was a 40' Marstrom Carbon stick with a brand new set of sails to boot...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:19 pm 
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NCSUtrey - do you happen to know any ARC sailors in MN? I met a guy a while ago (10 years?) in Duluth who was a pilot for Northwest and was getting an ARC... he offered a sail but I lost his name... it's been a while, but hey, it's an ARC and I'd love to look him up. It's a long shot, but I figured I'd ask.

Regarding the quick pins on the shrouds... seems like a no-brainer. Quick pins may have a place (as a young guy on a used boat the $20+ price tag argues the point), but even if I was rich, the shrouds would not be the place.

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