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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Hey guys (and gals)
I am new to the beachcat scene as i recently inherited a '94 H17 and converted it to a sport. I sail about 50-50 by myself and with another adult. My question is for you folks (if any) who sail with more than one on board a H17. 1) is there any rigging adjustments you make when sailing with a friend. 2) since i already have the jib and wings is there anything else i can purchase to make sailing with another better? 3) mbounds was kind enough to share some insight with me (thanks again matt) and his opinion was that around 350 pounds or under would be ok in this situation ( which basically equals my wife and I)...any other opinions of this? 4)what can i expect to go wrong if sailing with 2 full sized adult men? 5) finally, given that i sail as often with company (i don't race)...should i consider selling this boat and stepping up to an 18 or even miracle 20? Would appreciate any thoughts or advice as navigating the world of beachcats is a little confusing to a newbie. cheers

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:20 pm 
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The H17 is at it's best with a solo sailor, but sails 'OK' with a crew. The wings are rated for 350 lbs, but I have had up to 400 lbs on them without a problem (I do stress not to plop down on them). If your boat is a sport conversion, and you have the full boom, you might want to consider a boomlet to make it easier for the crew to traverse the tramp.


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:34 pm 
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How many people can a 17 realistically hold? What would be the maximum load that it can carry? I haven't been able to find this information anywhere.


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:46 pm 
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For best preformance.... around 200 lbs.

Cruising... 2 adults and maybe a kid at most. It sits pretty low in the water with a lot of weight on it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 6:35 am 
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Thanks mmiller, I was hoping for a little more. Hobie lists the load of hobie 16 for up to 800 pounds I guess the design of hobie 17 is too different to really compare them. :(


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:39 am 
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I sailed a H16 for 20 years, they may be rated for 800 lbs but it performs like a slug. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:03 pm 
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the design of hobie 17 is too different to really compare them


Its the height of the tramp above water as I noted. The H16 is raised on top of pylons, so is quite far above the surface, so you can sink the hulls more. 800 lbs on a 17 would leave the deck / tramp awash.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:34 pm 
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I guess my best bet would be the getaway then? There aren't a lot of them used for sale and they tend to be out of my price range. Is there an option I am missing?


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:35 am 
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Alasor wrote:
Is there an option I am missing?


Hobie 18.

More hull volume than a 17 or 16. Similar sail area to a 17 Sport. Optional wings. Tough as nails. Many available used at reasonable prices.

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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:19 am 
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Does that one come with daggerboards? How much harder is beaching is with those?


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:33 am 
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Alasor wrote:
Does that one come with daggerboards? How much harder is beaching is with those?

Well, it's a heck of a lot harder if you try to beach with them down, but that's why we pull them up first. I can guarantee, after the first time you forget to pull them up, you won't forget again :D

Seriously, I don't understand the fear of daggerboards (not specifically from you, just as a general statement). Unless you sail extensively in the surf, it's almost a non-issue. They're really a piece of cake, and virtually every other sailboat in the world has to deal with a daggerboard or keel of some sort. Don't let daggerboards be a deal-breaker on an otherwise perfect boat.

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:24 am 
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Would the 18 be too much for a my first cat?


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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:15 am 
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Alasor wrote:
Would the 18 be too much for a my first cat?


Depends. If you have prior sailing experience and you pick the right days to go out initially, you'll probably be ok. The difference in handling between the 17 & 18 is fairly minimal. The 17 is more or less an 18's hull chopped down a foot shorter and with less freeboard and no jib (the mainsails on both boats have the same amount of sail area).

If you have zero sailing experience, then there's going to be a bit of a learning curve on any cat at the beginning.

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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:57 pm 
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I have sailed and raced many different brands of cats and I still always have to come back to Hobie. It has a place in my heart. From the Hobie line I have spent many hours/years since 1978 on the 14, 16, 17 and 18 and a few moments on a 21 (oh and a good crew day with Cohen on the monohaul 33 on CDA Lake years back). I sold my 16 last summer and currently have a 17 Sport. I come from the breed of putting two in the trap and two on the hulls on an 18 when the races are canceled and the wind is howling and we go have a blast when most beach their boats and look at us as if we are crazy and we try to break an 18 in 40 knots. As much as I love my 17 in heavy air it is a bit of a drag in lighter air when just putzing around the lake for a tan and some easy breeze inland lake sailing. I'm about 220 pounds and I could have an adult crew with me on the 16 or 18 and never notice the difference however with my 17 I noticed it even with or without my son at 150 pounds. I would never get rid of my 17 however it is definitely a solo boat even with a jib whether it be a sport or not. I am kinda wishing I keep my 16 for my son. There is just something about the asymmetrical hulls and the buoyancy of the 16. It just amazes me. I notice the 16’s acceleration compared to a 17 or 18 so it is not just being up on a lifted tramp. Fact is, if you know the wind and you have a 16 you have the best boat Hobie ever made and if you have the skills I would match it up against any Hobie one for one with just a main and jib. Keep in mind I love my 17 and I am sticking with it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:03 pm 
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Seriously, I don't understand the fear of dagger boards (not specifically from you, just as a general statement). Unless you sail extensively in the surf, it's almost a non-issue. They're really a piece of cake, and virtually every other sailboat in the world has to deal with a dagger board or keel of some sort. Don't let dagger boards be a deal-breaker on an otherwise perfect boat.

Thank god I had a swing centerboards instead of dagger boards this last weekend. I hit an underwater boulder at speed (~12-15 knots) and destroyed my port centerboard (took a grapefruit sized chunk out of it). The boat hit so hard that the front of the board shattered, it came unhooked, ripping out from the trunk and had to cut away (the board up/down line). Lost the spring, but fortunately I had a spare board and spring and there was no damage to the well/trunk. I would hate to think what might of happened if I had dagger boards.
I also banged up the bottom of both bows and had to do a quick epoxy job (quick set marine type that can be applied to wet surfaces, even underwater) to get back on the water the next day. Now back at home, I have to remove my epoxy patch and do some serious glass/gel coat work. On the Plus side I got in 6 days of great sailing in winds from 5 - 25 mph :) :(


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