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 Post subject: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:44 am 
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Well, picked up my New to me H17 a couple weeks ago. Hoping to get it on the water this weekend :D . I haven't seen much about righting the H17. Can anyone tell me what the procedure is and what assists are being used. i.e the righting bag, shroud extender etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:57 am 
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If you weigh 185 or more, you should be able to right it without bag or extenders.

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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:59 pm 
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I'm about 163lbs and cannot right the thing solo. After trying a variety of devices, the best option in my opinion is this thing:

http://www.murrays.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=01-3280&Category_Code=C-RI&Store_Code=MS

However, this alone doesn't do the job because even with a bag this size, I need to have my body nearly parallel to the water's surface when lifting the bag to exert the correct leverage. It turns out that this is quite difficult to achieve (hard to hold your body in this position for long - especially when one hand needs to deal with the righting bag) so I have another righting line which connects to the dolphin striker and gets thrown over the hull that's out of the water and then comes down to the underside of the boat. I have loops tied in that line. Then, I hook my trap harness to a loop in the righting line and I hang there suspended just above the water line. Then I have both hands to deal with the righting bag. Fill 'er up and hoist and the boat comes up - even in no wind. Feel free to contact me with questions.

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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:03 pm 
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I use this bag and it works well. I also weigh about 175. I attach it to the dolphin striker and take the line out over the hull if turtled. If on the side I throw the bag over the hull. Then I fill it with water and hoist it up with the blocks. now I lean back with the bag over my shoulder to get it as far back as possible.
You may want to add an additional line with a handle such as is used in water skiing. this would give you a better handhold.

Positioning your boat relative to the wind is critical. You want it to rotate so the mast is about 45 degrees to the wind. Then the wind helps you and the boat lifts and rotates into irons as it comes up. You can walk back and forth on the hull when it is on its side to get it to turn. Be sure your mainsheet is fully out.

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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:41 am 
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So does anyone use the hobie righting line for the H17 (the strechey one you see on the H16 alot) or is it a line tied to the Dolphin striker that is used for righting.?

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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:24 pm 
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I use the Hobie system (Hawaiian rig), but rig it a bit differently. I secured each of the 2 white rings with small rope loops to the shackles (beneath the tramp) holding the front corners the tramp. I added 2 short rope loops with plastic hooks (with retainers) to the under side lacings of the rear tramp (each about a foot in from either hull). I tie one end of the easy right line to the starboard rear tramp lines nearest the hull, then thread the starboard ring at the front of the tramp, then bring the easy right line back to the starboard loop hooked into the underside of the rear tramp lacing (1 foot in) over to the other (port loop) then up to the port ring and finally down to the rear lacings nearest the port hull. When flipped I have easy access to the whole system. I just release one of the hooks (opposite the hull I'm going to stand on) and lean out. I don't even try to put the line over the hull (I weigh 200 lbs and don't need the added leverage gained by pulling the line over the hull). Once righted I just reach under the rear corss beam and rehook the loop. Using this method has worked well for me and the system is completely out of the way when under sail.


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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:25 am 
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Personally I don't like the bungee return type systems since they seem to feel like you're constantly having to balance against a bungee cord and/or the line's position is restricted.

I use the stock fat braid rope righting line tied to the dolphin striker and thrown over the hull. Take the line and wrap it around your harness hook one or two times and hand hold it. You can stand like this all day and your arms won't get tired.

This past weekend I flipped during a regatta (Noreaster' in the mid atlantic that had winds gusting to 30mph while we were trying to race on sunday) and even at 205 lbs I was unable to get the boat up (bows refused to turn into the wind). So I'm considering getting a righting bag to add weight if necessary.

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I weigh 200 lbs and don't need the added leverage gained by pulling the line over the hull


Throwing the line over the hull doesn't gain you any leverage for righting the boat, all it does is change the loads on your body. Only thing the boat cares about is your angle to the water. It would be the same as if you moved your trapeze wires up to the tip of the mast- if your body's angle to the water stayed unchanged, there would be no effect on righting moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:50 am 
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srm - thanks for the physics lesson - good points. I keep a righting bag strapped to the underside of my H17Sport tramp (a throw back to my H16 soloing days).


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 Post subject: Re: Righting the H17
PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 pm 
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- at 155 lbs and 57 years age, I don't have stamina or weight but I can get the boat over with the solo-upright system. That's cool. I have written about it in previous posts.

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