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 Post subject: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:00 pm 
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Hi, i'm not sure if this topic has been covered here or not. I have a basic small kayak type anchor with a 25' rope. I'm thinking about getting a small rope guide (Attached to the front handle), mounting the anchor on the bow then tied off on the side handle. Will this be a usable system, or do i need something better? Are the anchor trolleys easy to install?


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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:07 pm 
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What type of fishing will you be doing? If it's in the salt ,then 25ft will not be enough.
I'm using an anchor trolly on my PA while I chunk clams/bunker. I'm also using a dive reel which holds more than 100' of thin rope. In general I have out 40-45' most times out.
When I crab, I use the same set up with about 30' out and a second anchor to hold me in position(which is tied to a cleat on the opposite side of the anchor trolly). Crabbing is generally in 10-12ft of water), chunking is usually around 17ft of water. Rule of thumb: depth times 3X the lenght of your boat.


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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:15 am 
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Think that might be "plus the length of the boat".... not "times" the length of the boat. Lunch anchoring in a regular boat, meaning everyone's awake and alert but anchored is usually considered adequate at 5 times the water depth including the foot or so from boat to water as in our kayaks. Overnight anchoring is 7-10 times the water depth. Usually thought of as 10 times for safety. Storm anchoring is more and maybe two anchors in tandem. My Chapmans is rusty. If you use the number Sfisto said, 3 times, it's usually adequate for our purpose. In tidal runs or current you'd need to increase the scope to 5-7 times depth or up to 10 in fast moving waters. Of course talking a digging in type anchor and not something that rolls around. Goes on and on doesn't it? ha. No foul, no harm. :)

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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:09 am 
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Can i just toss the anchor overboard, then tie it off on the side handle(tie it before tossing though!)? Just wrap the rope around the front mounting point on the PA side handle. Is this strong enough to handle the anchor torque load? Will this mounting point give me about a 45 degree angle to the bow waves? I have been anxious to try out the anchor, but have had bad weather & a busy schedule lately. So a little advice prior to trying it out might save me some trouble! Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:02 pm 
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Lot to think about when anchoring. Especially in a lightweight plastic boat. The term "tieing it off" would indicate it would be hard to "untie". That's dangerous. Investigate clam cleats or other quick release cleating system for quickly releasing your anchor. This now means you need a float on the end of your anchor line so you can come back around and retrieve it. Look around the site for other discussions on anchoring. It's awful easy to get in trouble when tied to something that just might allow the boat to be pulled under in a tide run, or get yourself wrapped around a piling. Whether you want the line out the stern or bow depends on where you're fishing and which way the kayak wants to lay. Anchor trolley type deal. See if that doesn't give you something to think about a while. Stay safe.

To answer your question, the side handle is strong enough to handle it. It's just not a good idea.
Tie the type of knot that releases immediately if you need it do just that.

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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:31 pm 
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To answer one of your questions; Anchor Trolleys are a snap to install. They come with easy to read instructions and all the hardware. One of the good things they offer is the ability to move the anchor point from the stem to the stern. That allows the person to make a choice based on their needs at the time. For example, if I am unfurling a sail I usually want the boat to point into the wind during that operation. On the other hand, when casting a line or taking a picture of a shoreline bird I usually want the stern pointed upwind. Although I've not found the need yet, I am sure there are times it would be good to have the wind come directly across the beam. An anchor trolly system just makes it easier to determine what your current needs are and go with them. In addition, you won't have to crawl all over the boat when you lift anchor. You just move the anchor point to where you are sitting and lift it up. I think they are a nice convenient tool that has some neat advantages. Happy boating! - Roger

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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:56 am 
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yakkingaway wrote:
Lot to think about when anchoring. Especially in a lightweight plastic boat. The term "tieing it off" would indicate it would be hard to "untie". That's dangerous. Investigate clam cleats or other quick release cleating system for quickly releasing your anchor. This now means you need a float on the end of your anchor line so you can come back around and retrieve it. Look around the site for other discussions on anchoring. It's awful easy to get in trouble when tied to something that just might allow the boat to be pulled under in a tide run, or get yourself wrapped around a piling. Whether you want the line out the stern or bow depends on where you're fishing and which way the kayak wants to lay. Anchor trolley type deal. See if that doesn't give you something to think about a while. Stay safe.

To answer your question, the side handle is strong enough to handle it. It's just not a good idea.
Tie the type of knot that releases immediately if you need it do just that.


You make a great point about being able to quick release. What's the best kind of knot to use to attach the anchor line to the trolley clip so that it can be released as quickly as possible?

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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:37 am 
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The anchor trolleys that i've seen online don't have a tiedown point. The anchor line is threaded through the steel o-ring(clip), then the line is attached to a quick release tiedown placed close to the operator. I' ve seen a quick release rope tie mount at an auto parts store. You just hit a lever and the rope will be free to move through the mount channel. But a knot could form in the line, causing it to get caught. Where a cleat gives your rope complete release once you untie it. My anchor rope has a locking clevis on the end. I'm thinking about wrapping it around the front of my PA side handle once(then attaching the end clevis back onto the rope). Then i'll do a little test to see if i can easily release the clevis when the anchor rope is under tension from the anchor. I might attach the clevis to a large D-ring first, which would give me two places to unhook at. I've never anchored before, so i'm in a learning process!


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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:25 am 
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I would'nt trust the siderails for tying off an anchor. -Don't trust the strength. I use 5" regular cleat on one of my mounting boards. Also, without and anchor trolley there is no way to adjust the attitude of the boat with regard to wind and tide.
My anchoring system is based solely on gravity. 15lb. mushroom anchor, strait down, for pinpoint anchoring on small structure. It's the only way I can anchor on some of my best spots.


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 Post subject: Re: PA Anchor Systems!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:47 am 
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I don't totally agree with that but we all have differing opinions. The handrails or side rails are installed with the intention of probably taking quite a load from the upper body weight and forces of the operators. That would make them pretty stout relatively. Comparing that to the small screws through the hull for an anchor trolley, some without backing and some with, depending on the installer, the installation hardware etc, I think the side rails will easily take stresses of anchoring. Your question remains, but I don't recommend using a tied off anchor to anything to keep you safely anchored. Order an anchor trolley system or investigate further here on the web so you understand their principle. A quick release of an anchor to follow a nice fish around or get yourself out of harm's way will present itself if you kayak fish long enough.

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