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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:56 pm 
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Mickey,
I understand...I did the same...I think I cut it about 3 times...until I wasn't choking to death when sailing...Good luck...

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:57 pm 
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Mickey,
I'm not acquainted with your brand of drysuit, but assume your tight neck is neoprene.
I stretch mine out on a pot 2 inches bigger than my neck overnight (as per instructions). That helped a bit, but didn't cure it.
I then stretched it out 3 or 4 days. That helped a LOT. Wearing the sucker a handful of days they made it stop biting my adam's apple, and turned it into a custom fit.
I'd go this route before cutting it.
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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:55 pm 
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ron34422 wrote:
Mickey,
I understand...I did the same...I think I cut it about 3 times...until I wasn't choking to death when sailing...Good luck...

Ron

Ron - after you trimmed it you must have been left with 2 layers of latex rather than the original single folded over double layer - is that correct :roll:
I think I am going to go down this road as stretching it isn't having any noticeable effect so far.
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I'm not acquainted with your brand of drysuit, but assume your tight neck is neoprene.
I stretch mine out on a pot 2 inches bigger than my neck overnight (as per instructions). That helped a bit, but didn't cure it.
I then stretched it out 3 or 4 days. That helped a LOT. Wearing the sucker a handful of days they made it stop biting my adam's apple, and turned it into a custom fit.
I'd go this route before cutting it.
Chris

Chris - I have tried stretching it with a pot larger than my neck today - but it has made no difference. Before I take to it with some sharp dressmaking scissors, I think I'll try stretching it for a few days & see whether that has any effect :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:25 am 
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Mickey, Yes it does leave two layers...I ended up cutting the back layer off and leaving the front single layer...

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:08 pm 
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ron34422 wrote:
Mickey, Yes it does leave two layers...I ended up cutting the back layer off and leaving the front single layer...

Ron

Thanks Ron - I thought that would be the case - and probably the best/only solution is to cut the back layer off.
I'll just try the stretch option a bit longer - just in case I can "train" it to accommodate a normal size neck :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:24 pm 
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Just in case you're interested - thought I should let you know that the Stohlquist Warranty and repair dept told me to return it to them and they will replace the neoprene collar to fit my size neck.
I packed it up and sent it off in the post today.
I wonder how long it will be before I get it back :roll: Was planning on using it on our East Coast Extravaganza early May.
I expect I will have to find alternative warm clothing for this trip now :roll:
Still - it's better to get the fit right than end up with something that's unuseable or damaged.
I will let you know the results when I get it back :wink:
So far, I'd have to say that the service I have received from them has been excellent. :)
I just get a bit nervous when I return things via the post :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:17 am 
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Mickey, I thought about doing that but I wanted to go sailing...let us know if it works out well and if it's a comfy fit...I might send it in this summer and have them replace it to my neck size
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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:48 pm 
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ron34422 wrote:
Mickey, I thought about doing that but I wanted to go sailing...let us know if it works out well and if it's a comfy fit...I might send it in this summer and have them replace it to my neck size
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Ron

Ron - it's back and it really was fast all things considered.
I'm sitting here with it on at present - trying to get used to the tight feeling.
It must be better - because I am noticing the tightness around my wrists more than my neck right now and I never considered them to be unbearably tight.
I have found that lifting the collar higher on my neck so that it's above my adam's apple makes it more comfy.
I guess only getting out and using it properly for an extended period of time will really test it - but the longer I sit here the more I think it will be fine. It's a cold windy day here - ideal for giving it a test - but I seem to have lots of avoidance mechanisms stopping me from getting out there today :roll: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:18 pm 
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Mickey, I found this past winter that when the cold water and wind was hitting me in the face I wasn't concerned a bit about how tight it was!...stay warm...

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:23 am 
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Hi guys/gals thought I would bump this thread and give my opinion, I am a scuba diver and worked in the industry. While not kayaking dry-suits the principle is the same and I have also learn't a little from using my own surface dry-suit (F4 Northern Diver) on my AI.

Latex seals generally come in two grades, "heavy duty" and "standard", the heavy duty seals are similar in comfort (slightly better) to neoprene seals, stiff, poor seal and uncomfortable, compared to the "standard seals" a lot more soft / comfortable when trimmed properly. The problem with latex is they are a lot more susceptible to UV and will degrade rapidly if not cared for. If you can get a suit that has a thin overlapping two piece neoprene collar to protect your latex seal and not choke you, you will be way better off.
Latex seals will also give a better seal, especially on the surface where there is no water pressure to help make the seal and is the best choice for people who have very thin sinewy/bone'y wrists and ankles. Some people are allergic to latex and previously had no choice but to get neoprene seals and then find they will not seal due to thin sinewy/bone'y wrists and ankles. Then "bio-seals" were made, they are a very thin flexible material with no latex and not only do they make a better seal they are also more comfortable and in recent years have also been found to be beneficial to comfort for latex users as well.

You can buy products to soften/lubricate your latex seals and I highly recommend doing it to keep them supple and protected to increase longevity of life.

I would also recommend latex wrist seals that are covered with a cuff and ankle seals (the same with cuff) or fitted socks. Now with fitted socks some manufacturers have an option between latex and neoprene. Latex socks you will need to wear boots and you will need to make sure between the boots and leg cuffs (if your suit has them) that your latex socks are covered as they are probably more expensive to replace and are more susceptible to UV light and continious stress. I like Neoprene socks, I find them less susceptible to UV, easier to put on, more comfortable to touch/wear and they have the option to either wear them on there own or you can add boots for more warmth and better protection from rocks etc if they are present.

As with my suit the zip is across the shoulders on the back and while I was flexible, could manage to zip/unzip but now cannot due to neck fusion, I would not recommend a rear entry suit unless you "always" have someone with you.
The other style of entry zip is front and there are two different styles here, one is a diagonal zip across the front from the top of your shoulder to the opposite waist and the other is in a large flap that wraps around your your chest. Almost all the manufacturers use the diagonal zip which I have heard can rub on the shoulder when paddling causing a lot of discomfort and chafe and can puck up due to the stiffness of the zip but apart from that can be easy to don/dof on your own and easy to use with no crimping/bending to the zip, good for pedal kayaks.
The second is only available that I know of in a suit made by Northern Diver (UK) called the "Aquarius", this suit is designed for the military, police and rescue services. It has an extra long cut to allow freedom of (running) movement (extra leg length) ideal for pedal kayaks, and an extra long torso cut for don/dof of the suit which in my opinion also helps stop ridding in the crotch when seated. The best thing though is the large entry and how the zip wraps around your chest, no bunching up and no shoulder chafe. Down side is it is only available in black unless a "huge" special order is made, it also comes fitted with big ugly gumboots that will most definitely chafe around the legs (they can be changed at buyers expense) and they are a diving suit so if you do not want all the extra valves fitted you must special order no fittings, stupid part is; they still come with the suit, you still pay for them, they are just not fitted and the holes are not cut. Ow the other downside, darn expensive.
I have only tried one of these on, not used it, so I have no idea of it's breathing qualities, wish I could afford one to find out.

Zips, the most expensive part of a dry-suit is the zip and make sure the zip is a YKK heavy duty, the plastic ziplock (plastic lunch bag style) dry zips are more susceptible to damage from sand grit etc and will also brake open easier than a YKK when under stress.
"DO NOT BEND YOUR ZIP"
"KEEP YOUR ZIP WELL LUBRICATED"
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Most zips also have latex in them and yes you guessed it, susceptible to UV, try to get a suit that has a zip flap to protect it from sunlight. Also get a good carry bag that protects it from light, bending of the zip and dirt/grime that may damage zips and seals, even better if it opens right up and doubles as a ground sheet to don/dof your suit on rather than the dirt or sand.

Toilet issues, GET A RELIEF ZIP or PEE VALVE. The first option is more practicable for men unless the suit also doubles for scuba diving, the second option is best for women as they can incorporate it with a "ShePee" and not have to worry about shedding the suit, men use a catheter condom. If you go down the "Pee Valve" road you will have to buy the accessories needed on a continuous basis, you will also find you will have to sit side saddle or even get into the water for it to properly work.

Very few surface dry-suits have very much thermal quality, it is all about layering or the lack of, but even on a warm day you will find a thin layer of clothes is needed to "stay warm", remember, "YOU ARE DRESSING FOR IMMERSION" not comfort!!

Breathable suits are also very desirable as is an undergarment that wicks sweat, you are best to get any sweat away from your skin to help stay warm, breathable suits will help control the sweat.

Another safety issue is if you go head first into the water without a PFD (which wont happen if you are responsible and always wear a PFD) is that the air will go to your feet and keep you "bum up", it is a good idea if you buy a dry-suit to train yourself (in a controlled environment - with a buddy) how to tuck and somersault. If you can tuck and somersault you will transfer the air from your ankles to your chest which will then act as a form of life vest. Try not to wear external belts, belts will restrict air flow through the suit. Get a suit with internal braces so they hold the suit up, I also cross the braces over to the opposite sides as it stops them from riding down over the shoulder and annoying the crap out of me .

When you get in a dry-suit, do not vent all the air out, keep as much as you can comfortably keep. The air is your thermal protective layer that keeps the cold water surface area away from your bodies core heat and will keep you warmer in an immersion situation.

Good luck and safe comfortable dry-suiting.


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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:00 am 
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Also One might want to check out these:

http://www.tackledirect.com/aquaskinz-dry-tops.html

They are designed for fishing in the surf. It seems the sudden drop into water often causes a reaction and you basically "can't breath".

I use the raptor with the assumption if I am going in, this will keep the core warm until I get out. If I am in for a longer period, a dry suit, might help, but insulation would be needed to survive. (I also wear a sailing harness but hey I live in Puget sound, so 55 F is warm.

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:39 am 
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anyone tried these?
seem too good to be true.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT


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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:30 am 
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Got one coming, I'll let you know in a week.

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:21 pm 
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mickeymouse wrote:
Max - did you buy locally or over the net & what price?


Sorry, been away for awhile didnt see this until now, "New York Kayak Company" was good price, freight and service, pay attention to the foot-size if you have large feet, I had to get extra large feet on mine.
It looks too big when it arrives but when you sit down with bent knees ala kayak position it allows full free movement of arms and the back fabric doesnt tighten.

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 Post subject: Re: Advice on DrySuits
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Good to see you back Max. Have you been hibinating over winter ?

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