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 Post subject: Amas in
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:39 pm 
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So has anyone tried sailing with the amas in just to see how it does?
Seems like a fun get wet kinda thing to do. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:13 am 
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kevgrn114 wrote:
So has anyone tried sailing with the amas in just to see how it does?
Seems like a fun get wet kinda thing to do. :-)


I had one fold in on me when the aka popped out and the boat did really well until it was knocked down about 2 or 3 seconds later. Don't try it unless you're wearing a bathing suit.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:50 am 
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Amas in = capsize*

I was sailing in 15kt winds when my rear downwind Aka popped out and within a second or two the hull was 180 degress the wrong way around.

*depending on how strong the wing is blowing.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:22 am 
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How easy would it be to right a capsized TI single handed? Something worth practising in calm weather?


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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:51 am 
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Yes, practice! Better to know how and test in calm conditions than have to panic when it happens by accident.

I can right the AI with amas out easily (I'm 210) and can stand on one ama to sink it and roll the boat over. The TI I have not tried, but folding an ama in would be the best bet.

I also played around with an AI with folded-in amas. It sails... then tried no amas at all... not easy!. The weight of the sail rig alone makes it tippy. I gave up pretty quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:58 am 
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How does that work? If you fold one in, do you stand on the other one to submerge it? Or do you flip it overhead?

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:06 pm 
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You stand on the folded-in ama.

Be sure the mainsheet is all the way loose or furled. Easier with some sort of line to the other side of the main hull or ama even.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:41 pm 
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When I got knocked down the sail did not go under water and the folded in ama was on the bottom. I reached up and grabbed a carrying handle and held on while the TI slowly righted itself. I did release the main sheet before trying to right the boat. I weighed about 225 lbs when this happened and was wearing a T shirt and bathing suit so I didn't add much water weight.

It took me a number of tries to figure out where the handle was before someone guided me to it. Next time I'll just run my hand along the side of the boat in the water to locate it. (I tried to mark the bottom of my hull with a Sharpy but it didn't last.)

Once the boat was righted I re-installed the aka so both amas were out, climbed back aboard, and sailed away. I'm just glad this happened in the summer in Florida. The swim felt refreshing.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
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Hammer wrote:
Amas in = capsize*

I was sailing in 15kt winds when my rear downwind Aka popped out and within a second or two the hull was 180 degress the wrong way around.

*depending on how strong the wing is blowing.


Hammer,

Just out of curiosity, did you have trampolines installed? Mine only went over 90 degrees and I had at least 15 knots of wind.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
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We've only had less than 15 kts. for two of the six times we've had the boat out so far. The third time we had it out our weather station at the house recorded the wind averaging about 18-19 kts with several gusts to 25.

After that, I think 12 kts would feel about perfect for a leisurely sail.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
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Here's a great video made by Yakass on how to right an AI. I used the same principle on the TI and it worked.

viewtopic.php?f=70&t=22159&p=98392&hilit=capsize#p98392



Dosjers, when I capsized, the wind was blowing almost dead on my Port side and it was the rear Starboard Aka that came adrift, and I did not have the tramps on.

It was blowing hard (perhaps the wind was more than 15kts) as the swell was about 2-2.5mtrs, and I only had the sail partially furled. The swell is what made everything difficult for me in turning the TI back up.

When I capsized, first thing I made sure of is I was free of any ropes. Then I grabbed the main sail rope, uncleat it and then grabbed the furling rope and pulled the sail in (all with the TI upside down).

Next I had to insert the aka back into the crossbar (by this stage it was only attached to the ama by the bungee cord and I could see through the water that it was pointed straight down. There was a great possibility that I would loose it in the ocean).

Fitting the aka into the crossbar was not as easy when you're being pounded by the swell every 3-4 seconds. The swell bobbed the whole thing up and down and made the aka/ama swing in and out, and forward and backwards.

When I finally got the aka in, each time I climbed on the aka to tip the TI over, a big swell will hit it (and as I was barefoot), I'd slip back in the water. The TI's hull & Amas underbelly are very slippery - great for hydrodynamics but bad for grip. It was definately much, much easier in calmer waters.

I've since deviced a bungee system on my akas to ensure even if they unclip from the crossbar, the aka will not drift out. I can't wait to tests it out.

I'll also sail with 2mtr ropes already tied to the grab handles (one on each side) with the excess stored in the netting on each side. So if I capsize again, I don't have to squabble under an upside-down TI to search for the ropes.

This experience also made me think if I should wear aqua foot gear for safety reasons.

Anyway the video by Yakass, helped me a great deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
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Tramps will help. With them on, the Akas are less likely to come out and should never sink to the bottom.

Of course, you may flip sooner too. :wink:

Anyone experience a disconnect with tramps deployed?

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 Post subject: Re: Amas in
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A Sprayskirt will keep the front aka from straying. I added leashed to keep the rear ones in. Doing both of Hobie's fixes have made my aka behave, but the leashes will stay for piece-of-mind.

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