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 Post subject: TI Rigging Question
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:45 am 
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A couple of times now I've noticed that the tension on my rigging seems off: either I am totally unable to furl the sail, or I am unable to sheet in. The lines seem too tight and with all my strength I can't move anything. I took some time yesterday to investigate what's happening and it seems like the pulley (with the hook that connects to the sail) jams up because the two sliding knots on that line have slid up flush against it.

If I am sitting in the backside I can fix this problem by taking the two lines that run from the pulley to the rear of the boat, and push/pulling them in opposite directions until the tension is equalized. But this doesn't seem right: the boat is designed to sail from the front, and it doesn't seem like someone should have to do this every time I want to adjust my sail.

Is this a common problem? How do I fix it?


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 Post subject: Re: TI Rigging Question
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:28 am 
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DaytonaJoe wrote:
A couple of times now I've noticed that the tension on my rigging seems off: either I am totally unable to furl the sail, or I am unable to sheet in. The lines seem too tight and with all my strength I can't move anything. I took some time yesterday to investigate what's happening and it seems like the pulley (with the hook that connects to the sail) jams up because the two sliding knots on that line have slid up flush against it.

If I am sitting in the backside I can fix this problem by taking the two lines that run from the pulley to the rear of the boat, and push/pulling them in opposite directions until the tension is equalized. But this doesn't seem right: the boat is designed to sail from the front, and it doesn't seem like someone should have to do this every time I want to adjust my sail.

Is this a common problem? How do I fix it?


There should not be any knots in the sheet. Review the installation instructions, ask your dealer, or check Hobie's site. It should run freely between either cockpit to the sail and back to the other cockpit. If you run out of furling line, you need to add an extra spin or three before connecting the sheet to the sail.

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 Post subject: Re: TI Rigging Question
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:19 pm 
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To clarify, the two knots are not actually IN the sheet line so much as over it: one of them is where the rear sheet control connects to the main line and I'm having trouble remembering what the second one is, I'll check after work. These knots slide freely on the sheet line that goes from sail to stern, but they tend to bunch up at the pulley.


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 Post subject: Re: TI Rigging Question
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:20 pm 
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I've been looking around at pictures on google images and in the instruction manual and you're right: there are no knots anywhere around the sheeting lines. My kayak came like this brand new in the packaging from a dealer. Maybe they tied the knots like this just for storage so things wouldnt get tangled during transportation. So the rear seat's control line... does it normally just have one loose end dangling off then?


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 Post subject: Re: TI Rigging Question
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:55 pm 
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DaytonaJoe wrote:
To clarify, the two knots are not actually IN the sheet line so much as over it: one of them is where the rear sheet control connects to the main line and I'm having trouble remembering what the second one is, I'll check after work. These knots slide freely on the sheet line that goes from sail to stern, but they tend to bunch up at the pulley.


Hey Joe
...what are you doing with that knot in your hand...
(excuse the Hendricks reference).
May I humbly recommend that you put your boat together on your front or back lawn and check out how the rigging works.
If you take your boat out on the water in a stiff breeze (without that safety check), you could end up getting `knotted`in a situation that you neither planned for or intended.
If you have knots in two lines:
1) The sail line, you need to only have a figure eight knot at the end and no knots sliding or otherwhiles.
2) Make sure you read the instructions in how to set up the furling gear for the Mast, as well as checking for any unintended knots that can cause you a lot of hassles on the water

Best Regards
Tri

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 Post subject: Re: TI Rigging Question
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:45 am 
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Trinomite wrote:
DaytonaJoe wrote:
To clarify, the two knots are not actually IN the sheet line so much as over it: one of them is where the rear sheet control connects to the main line and I'm having trouble remembering what the second one is, I'll check after work. These knots slide freely on the sheet line that goes from sail to stern, but they tend to bunch up at the pulley.


Hey Joe
...what are you doing with that knot in your hand...
(excuse the Hendricks reference).
May I humbly recommend that you put your boat together on your front or back lawn and check out how the rigging works.
If you take your boat out on the water in a stiff breeze (without that safety check), you could end up getting `knotted`in a situation that you neither planned for or intended.
If you have knots in two lines:
1) The sail line, you need to only have a figure eight knot at the end and no knots sliding or otherwhiles.
2) Make sure you read the instructions in how to set up the furling gear for the Mast, as well as checking for any unintended knots that can cause you a lot of hassles on the water

Best Regards
Tri


I now understand completely how it works. I thought I understood before because it *looked* like it would work and it came from the factory that way so I thought the sliding knots were intentional. There was also no mention of it in the instruction manual that I could find.

Now that those knots are gone, the furling gear is going to work a lot better! It worked before, but it would only furl about 75% of the sail.

I'm glad this is all sorted out, for a while I just assumed it was working as intended.


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