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 Post subject: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:19 am 
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Hi all,

I used the simple rope-lock trap adjuster with dog bones on my 16 for years. I recently bought a H20 that had a single adjustable system with J&H handles. I replaced all the return shock cords - not an easy task on the 20 - put together all the trap bits (they were not together when i bought the boat) shackles, lines, v-jam adjuster, ball - everything. Im sure I have something wrong - but cant figure out what. I dont store the boat near home, otherwise I would take a picture. Ive searched for a good picture of the entire set up, and was only able to find a good diagram of the double-abjustable set up. Does anyone have a picture or diagram of an adjustable trap set up they could post?

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 am 
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Adjustable trapeze systems are not stock on Hobies, so the system installed on your boat could vary, but this system from Murrays should give you the general idea of how they typically work...

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:57 am 
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Thanks SRM - this is like the 5th time you have offered me help! I dont have my rig in front of me - but i know i dont have that double-block in my set up; could I be missing something?


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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 am 
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I don't think that system will work without the double block (or some type of farilead).

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:12 am 
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You may have the "Hi-Low Trapeze Kit" which has two separate blocks with a T-handle in between the blocks. The one SRM showed is the "No-Cut Hi-Low Trapeze Kit" (where you don't cut your existing trapeze wires). The regular Hi-Lo kit means you need to shorten your OEM trapeze lines about 10" and you end up with two handles (which is nice for taller people since the upper T-handle is further away).

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:32 am 
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Hello
1. I just installed the system shown to the right and can't see how they can say that you don't have to shorten the original wire. The length of the clamcleat, the blocks and a bit of rope(about 15cm; 6" in total) will certainly lower the ring if you don't compensate by moving the dogbone . Have I misunderstood something ?

2. They say its adjustable on the fly, but once I have put load on the system I can't release the rope from the clamcleat again, definitely not with one hand, holding rudder and sheet in the other. It might be easier with a smaller diameter rope, I use 6mm (about a 1/4") but then handling will be worse.

I have a FxOne and I shortened the original wire by about 15cm (6") but that just means that, after installing the kit, the ring is in the same place as usual but now I can of course adjust it lower, to facilitate hooking the ring when sitting and I can shorten it when going out but I still can't shorten it even further, which I wanted to do, to make it easier to get back onboard. When back onboard, I want to loosen the trapeze rope a bit, so I can sit more comfortable, but then I can't get the rope free of the clamcleat.
If I shorten the original wire further, to make it possible to raise my position more, I'm afraid that the fixed handle will get to high.

What to do? Are there anyone here that uses this system and can comment on my problems ?

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:58 am 
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I just saw in hobiecat.co.au's catalogue that they recommend shortening the original wire by 8", so I don't know what murray's all about.

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:42 am 
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I just saw, in the parts catalogue, that there are two different trapeze wires. One for cat with wings and one for cats without wings. page 5 here:
http://tinyurl.com/ceuybo9
Does anybody know the difference or has measurements of the wires ?

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:55 am 
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Hmmm, I'm talking to myself here :(

To anybody who has been following my monologue, here are the latest news from Hobie France:
Trapeze wire lengths:
17560560 : 5930 mm (with wings)
17560570 : 5680 mm

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:11 am 
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Here is the new adjustable trapeze I made

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:22 am 
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pbekkerh wrote:
Here is the new adjustable trapeze I made


Looks like it will be easy to adjust, but not sure I'd want to risk getting whacked in the head by that cleat when it starts flying around.

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:58 pm 
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JDM, I'm always looking for other 20's to sail with. Where are you located?

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:00 am 
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pbekkerh yeah it needs to be shorter to allow for all the extra in the cleat.

I used the Hobie part, fairly neat but a bit prone to corrosion, need to rinse well.

There is also a propensity for the rope to come out of the jamb cleat in all the excitement. This can prove decidedly inconvenient. A remedy is to use a rubber band or "O" ring to keep the rope til in the groove.


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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:57 pm 
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MVD - apologies for slow reply, just came back to this thread and noticed your note. Im on the East end of Long Island, NY. There are about half a dozen other 20's out here and most of us are in touch now. I've been sailing 16's for years, but just bought my H20 at the beginning of this season, so im only 1 season in with this boat - still learning, but its a blast.

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 Post subject: Re: Trap rigging help
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:03 pm 
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No problem. Long Island is a long ways from Knoxville, but if you hear of any gatherings of 20's somewhere in between, let us know here on the Forum. I've been known to take mine on a road trip once in while. The 20 was designed as a high performance one-design class racer, and that's when sailing it is the most fun.

There is a steep learning curve when it comes to sailing the 20 competitively. Learning to tune it as well as some of the guys with more experience is a challenge. Depowering and remaining fast in heavy winds is particularly challenging. I've been sailing this boat for four years and I'm far from mastering it. Have a thick skin and hang in there.

You ought to consider coming down to join your Southern brethren and Mid-Winters East in Ocean Springs, Mississippi, April 11-14. Typically there's a contingent from the Syracuse area that makes it down south every year as well as a group of dedicated Hobie sailors from the Northern Plains. The Ocean Springs Yacht Club is one of the premier cat sailing venues in the US. Here's a link to OSY's racing tab, http://www.osyc.com/index.php?module=Co ... iew&pid=22, from there, you'll find a link to the Mid-
Winters East NOR. Hope to see you at Hobie regatta soon.

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