Return to Hobie.com
Hobie Forums
It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:04 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Pin at bottom of Mast
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:13 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:49 pm
Posts: 2
I have been sailing my Wave, with the pin inserted at bottom of mast, after watching official video by Hobie and other by users who showed the pin inserted and ready to sail. A friend told me yesterday that I should take the pin out once the boat is rigged, and [color=#000000][/color]sail without it, insert it back at end before lowering the mast.
Which is true?
Will it feel differently sailing without the pin?
Thanks!
Ariel


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:41 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:38 am
Posts: 9
"And the Lord spake, saying, First shalt
thou take out the Holy Pin.

Then, shalt thou count to three, no more,
no less.

Three shalt be the number thou shalt
count, and the number of the counting
shalt be three.

Four shalt thou not count,
nor either count thou two, excepting that
thou then proceed to three.

Five is right out.

Once the number three,
being the third number, be reached, then
lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of
Antioch towards thy foe, who being
naughty in my sight, shall snuf it."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:06 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:27 pm
Posts: 576
Location: Central Oregon
:lol: in other words do not sail with the pin in! Mast should be free to rotate!

_________________
1980 H16


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:09 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:49 pm
Posts: 2
Thanks, will try next time.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:32 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:08 pm
Posts: 172
Location: Ottawa, Canada
I am a Monty Python fan but ... that may not be the whole story. The mast will rotate with the pin in and you can certainly sail the boat that way. The issue arises when the mast falls off, which, of course, it's not supposed to do. But occasionally due to a pulled off ring ding (All ring dings must be taped.) or a broken shroud the mast does fall down. If the pin is in, the mast is a very long lever for prying the crossmember, the post, the ball, the mast base , and maybe the bottom of the mast and doing some expensive damage. So ... sail with the pin out. Don't lose it. You'll need it to take the mast down.

Some guys, hard core racers mostly, sail with a really sloppy rig and the mast can pop off the ball if the pin isn't there. If that's you then a little piece of cord under the crossmember and through one of the cleats short enough to keep it from coming off is a good plan. Otherwise just make sure your rig is not so sloppy that the mast can come off.

Have a Hobie day!

Charles


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:40 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:27 pm
Posts: 576
Location: Central Oregon
Ahhh....my 97 has a Hobie 14 mast base and step pin setup. Forgot the newer waves are different!

_________________
1980 H16


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:39 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:32 pm
Posts: 18
Location: Erie, Pennsylvania
I have a newer Wave and have always used the pin inserted during sailing. Why? Because I've not found anything in the manuals/literature that says I should remove it while sailing, and I never thought to remove it!
What's the official Hobie recommendation on this? Matt?
Those of you who sail the bigger fiberglass Hobies use the pin when raising/lowering the mast and I'm wondering if that's leading to confusion on what should be done with the Wave pin where the ball+socket mast set-up is the inverse of that seen on an H-16.
I do notice though that my pin is now slightly bent (~170 degree angle as opposed to dead-straight 180).
I would worry about the mast popping out if the pin wasn't used if a relatively unique combination of boat-bounce and shroud/forestay slack occurred?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:09 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:32 pm
Posts: 18
Location: Erie, Pennsylvania
Never mind (voice of Gilda Radner) ... manuals for both Wave and Getaway say to leave pin in while sailing!
On a related, the ball on the crossbar tends to loosen a bit during a 4hr sail, but hasn't unwound totally yet ... is this normal and a thing to check for before each sail? Might a dab of blue thread-lock be in order?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:23 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:56 pm
Posts: 98
Location: mt tabor vt
amfo wrote:
Never mind (voice of Gilda Radner) ... manuals for both Wave and Getaway say to leave pin in while sailing!
On a related, the ball on the crossbar tends to loosen a bit during a 4hr sail, but hasn't unwound totally yet ... is this normal and a thing to check for before each sail? Might a dab of blue thread-lock be in order?


I noticed last night that after being out about 5 hours that the ball had lossened up on mine as well. Gonna hit it with a little loctite(blue) this weekend and see if it works. It was loose today as well after about 3 hours.

_________________
"Liquid Plumber's Edition Wave" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z78PozP9dc0


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:20 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:58 am
Posts: 176
amfo wrote:
Never mind (voice of Gilda Radner) ... manuals for both Wave and Getaway say to leave pin in while sailing!


I've had 5 different Waves and none of them had one of these "Holy" pins.

We have a fleet of twenty or so Waves here at Put-In-Bay. None of them has a magic pin.

What do you use them for? :roll:

_________________
Jack Woehrle
Wave #100
H20 #287 "Tallahassee Lassie" (down in FLA)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:49 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:32 pm
Posts: 18
Location: Erie, Pennsylvania
I use it because the mabual says to!;)
Matt Miller says on the "Getaway" page: There is a remote risk of damage if a wire fails, but there is also a real risk of the mast coming off the ball during a capsize, so only with caution and tight wire tensions would I consider removing the pin. The manuals suggest leaving it in place. Understand that a mast coming off the ball in a bad thing too. And upside down Cat is nearly, if not impossible to right with the mast removed. You would have to be assisted and likely towed to the beach upside down.
Drama: The set-up to me appears to be similar to a strung cross-bow ... if the mast wasn't retained loosely by the pin, the mast could pop out on a bounce in high winds and there'd be a tiny chance of having that feeling that someone just shot you with a cross-bow bolt!
I dunno ....


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:43 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:08 pm
Posts: 172
Location: Ottawa, Canada
[/quote]

I've had 5 different Waves and none of them had one of these "Holy" pins.

We have a fleet of twenty or so Waves here at Put-In-Bay. None of them has a magic pin.

What do you use them for? :roll:[/quote]

Silly! The holy pin is used for the holy hand grenade.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:59 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:58 am
Posts: 176
BigWhoop wrote:

Silly! The holy pin is used for the holy hand grenade.


Holy (censored) Batman.

_________________
Jack Woehrle
Wave #100
H20 #287 "Tallahassee Lassie" (down in FLA)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:16 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:41 pm
Posts: 2
So, I bought a new 2016 Getaway about a month ago. Yes, the rigging procedure from Hobie makes no mention about removing the mast pin after stepping and securing the mast. The dealer told me I should remove the pin or there could be damage if the mast fell while sailing because it must turn a certain way to freely fall. Well, during my 3rd sail, the ring ding for the pin connecting the adjuster bar & forestay broke free. The mast fell. As my luck would have it, I had forgot to remove the mast pin. Now I have a dimple/dent in my front cross bar/transom and a bent mast pin. I am not sure the other Hobies' mast configurations, but I would recommend removing it on a Getaway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:12 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Fri May 01, 2015 9:49 am
Posts: 238
Location: Eastern PA
Sorry to hear that. How did the ring ding fail?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
© Hobie Cat Company. All rights reserved.
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group