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 Post subject: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:32 am 
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Hey everyone! I haven't been on the forums in a couple of years since I sold my H16.Purchased a Wave last week in NH and took it out the first time yesterday in 10-20. After looking at the factory jib for the wave and reading about how insignifacant it was in regards to performance I decided to make my own with a significant overlap at the foot of the main. I ran the boat with maximum rake with and without the jib. I have to say there is a significant increse in performance with the jib. I am installing battens on it this morning and will be taking it back out today. I think the battens (1" strips of unbreakable lexan) will help it hold its shape and give me even more power. These waves are underpowered from what I can tell and really benefit from a jib. Even in strong 15-20's. It tack's effortlessly with the jib as well. I will post some pictures of how I did it and the rigging/block setup wen I have some free time (no wind). Everything ran me about $100 not including the lexan.I made a spreader pole out of aluminum pipe tubing and the tangs out of 1/2" rod slotted and welded to 2 1/4" inch 1/8" steel plates. Nice to be back sailing again with you all!


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:36 pm 
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Congratulations on the purchase!

I'm looking forward to seeing the photos. In my case I already have the jib kit but am interested in a larger one. The're a fellow in Australia that had a custom jib made - about 20% larger he claims. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuCsqC7hk0&feature=channel&list=UL


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:20 am 
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Thanks Norm. Some things I have noticed(I am not an expert sailor keep in mind);
1. The boat lacks power in light air without the jib. Even in heavy air for that matter. I have mine mounted very low on an additional lightweight bridle. This allows me to have a longer foot and more usable sail area. But, I have my cleats mounted where the guy does in the video. IMO, this is a problem as I've noted the boat doesn't point as it should as the slot is too broad between the jib and the main. Today, I am making a line that will run from one side of the tramp to the other connected to the forward claws for the tramp. I will be placing 2 quick connects for the small Harken blocks app' 6-12" on each side of the mast that I can just snap to to tighten the slot, flatten the jib and get it to point much better without the jib fluttering. Similar to the tightest position on a H16 jib traveler. I am having problems getting enough luff tension in heavy air so I'm going to make a modification to the bridle to add more clips to the jib to keep the luff straight and flat. I will explain why I am not using the jib to tension the forestay like the H16 in the video. It will be interesting to see how it performs with the lexan battens installed. Should hold it's shape really well.
2. I noticed on Thursday when I had the jib on, it never tried to dig or pitchpole on me. This was in winds of 15 sustained with gusts to 25. It obviously gives a lot of lift on the bows and yes, the mast is raked ALL the way back. I can easily pull the blocks together on the main. The speed was amazing. The second half of the day I ran without the jib. Same winds but the bows were really trying hard to dig in and lacked that ferocious speed.
3. Tacking is a dream with the jib. Start your tack, watch the bows and wait for them to come about completely. Then realease the jib,sheet in and fly. A whole different boat with the jib.

I really believe this boat is a cat sailors dream come true if you're always solo sailing. The 16 was a beast alone and a bear when things go wrong if flying solo. I think the wave is more of a baby tiger than anything else. I believe with not a lot invested you can squeeze a ton of performance out this boat.
This is an interesting read:
http://www.catsailor.com/waves/superwave_overall.html


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:57 pm 
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Hi Stevie,

I'm a bit of a visual learner, so your description above had me scratching my head a bit. But through your recent "high-wind" video (which was great), I came across your youtube channel and viewed your recent post on the set up.

It looks way better, performance -wise, than the stock version I currently have. I should mention that even the stock jib sheets get hung up on the mast pin on occasion.

Hope you don't mind me linking the video here for others:

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Looking forward to future posts on how you handled the bridle/jib-stay set up in front of the mast, as well as your custom jib dimensions!


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:16 am 
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Hi Norm. I appreciate the feedback and thank you! I forgot to take the pin out at the base of the mast the other day and the jib sheet was hanging on that as well. That pin will "NOT" be there today when I go out. I guarantee it! I am in the process of making a "sock" that will velcro together around the base of the mast (just like a shock cover) that will eliminate the problem all together. Just wrap it around the cleat section of the mast and voila, no more hanging. The jib does add a substantial amount of power (the second I sheet it in with the main out all the way the boat takes off). I just made a much lower bridle for it last night which will lower it to within a few inches above the crossbar. This will also increase the area that is in direct exposure to the wind. With the block and cleat setup, I can go almost dead on into the wind with no jib luffing. You'll see the tell tales in sections of the video and how close I am and yet the jib is full and solid. It also gives a tremendous amount of lift on the bows. Pretty cool for about $100 for the whole thing. Still manageable in 20-30's. It's so much faster with the jib you'll think you're going backwards when you sail without it. Steve :D


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:52 pm 
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I would like to see a video of the boat sailing with the jib.


Last edited by Creative on Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:03 pm 
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Creative wrote:
I would like to see a video of the boat sailing in BIG wind.


What? Bigger than 23-28 knots sustained with gusts to just under 40 knots? Yea, that's not sailing. That's survival...Duh!


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:11 pm 
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Out today in 10-20 knots. Should have worn the full body wetsuit. Shaking uncrontrollably tearing down. Couldn't make my fingers work to get the circlips out of the pins. :lol: Made a sock to go over the cleats at the bottom of the mast this morning. Tried it out today. 3 hours and not a single hang up on the cleats OR the pin with the jib sheet. Will be posting a video on my youtube channel tomorrow. The stupid little things make me so happy! :)


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:13 pm 
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steviethunder wrote:
Creative wrote:
I would like to see a video of the boat sailing in BIG wind.


What? Bigger than 23-28 knots sustained with gusts to just under 40 knots? Yea, that's not sailing. That's survival...Duh!


No, I just want to see a video of the boat sailing from a shore perspective so I can see the jib in action.


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:11 am 
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Norm742 wrote:
Congratulations on the purchase!

I'm looking forward to seeing the photos. In my case I already have the jib kit but am interested in a larger one. The're a fellow in Australia that had a custom jib made - about 20% larger he claims. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuCsqC7hk0&feature=channel&list=UL



Norm, I sent you a private message with a video link for the jib setup and dimensions. Steve


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:18 am 
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info. I finally got around to measuring my stock (2005) jib and the dimensions are remarkably similar.

The biggest difference seems to be that on my stock version, the foot of the jib angles sharply upward from the horizontal as it goes back from the tack to the clew, so that there is about 11 inches less length along my leech, and thus I've lost valuable sail area down low. That's probably because the stock jib was designed to be pulled "back" to the mid point of the vessel, as opposed to (the better method of) "back and down" just behind the mast as in your set-up.

It seems you pretty much nailed it in terms of eliminating the major deficiencies in the stock rigging, while still keeping the set up relatively simple. Super work.

I also have a classic model, so you've given me a project for the off-season! (If you're posting any future vids, a shot of the full rigging in place from the bow (with the S clips on the luff) would be nice).

Thanks again,
Norm


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:25 pm 
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Hey Norm, was out today in pretty light air :( so had some time to really inspect the rigging while out on the water. The biggest thing I noticed is that the jib(because it's ripstop nylon) has a lot more stretch under load along the leech so it's trying to open up a bit. I moved my snap(snatch block) forward to the hook on the top of the tramp and that straightened it out because it pulled more down than back. So, where I have the snatch blocks currently, I am losing power in the jib. The foot is considerably shorter than the leech and therefore the stretch is going to take place over the longest edge. The only thing I can think of doing (because there is nothing to fasten a traveler to) is taking a 3/8 bolt or rod about 2" long, weld an eye to it, insert it into the tramp track on the hulls and move the traveler cable to that location (just behind the front of the tramp pocket).
After further inspection, I realized that because I moved the jib lower(new bridle) on the forestay the sheet pulls more back than down. If you watch the 1st video you can see how high the jib is and that the sheet is pulling more down than back. The angle completely changed when I lowered the jib.


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:46 am 
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... or re-purpose a couple of new tramp tension hooks at $15(!) each.

http://www.mariner-sails.com/partdetail.asp?id=23811


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 Post subject: Re: New Wave owner!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:32 am 
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Norm742 wrote:
... or re-purpose a couple of new tramp tension hooks at $15(!) each.

http://www.mariner-sails.com/partdetail.asp?id=23811


Thanks! I took some 3/8 bolts I had laying around, cut the heads off and welded a couple of eye hooks to them. Slid them in the track. Done! about 15 minutes and free! People think I'm nuts saving all the stuff and scraps. I'm a bit of a packrat but it sure comes in handy. :lol:


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