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 Post subject: Single Jib Sheet line?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:02 am 
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Yesterday I went out to my boat to check something and someone had another on the beach 18 next to mine. The one thing that caught my attention was that they had one jib sheet running through both blocks. To me that looked like a great idea because you wouldn't have to worry about you jib sheet lines getting washed over or getting tangled.

I'm wondering if anyone else has used a system like this before. Any drawbacks?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:19 am 
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This is how my 18 is setup as well. I'm pretty sure its a common setup


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:15 am 
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This is standard to the best of my knowledge.

I have exactly as per picture with pig-tails connecting onto the jib

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:09 am 
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This is the standard system, one continuous line for the jib sheet.

Do the same thing with your mainsheet/traveler line.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:35 pm 
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Well it makes sense that it's the standard setup, looks like it work well. I guess I only wish I knew about this 8 months ago when I replace my jib blocks and sheet(s)...

Will make the conversion soon. Does anyone know what the length should be? Does it matter if using wings?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:54 pm 
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All line info is shown on the parts guide here:
http://static.hobiecat.com/digital_assets/PARTS_18.pdf

44ft of 5/16" line is standard - you can use whatever size you like (as long as it fits through the blocks - and as little as you can tolerate)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:55 am 
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For now, why don't you just tie the two lines together at the center of the tramp.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:32 am 
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Why pigtails guys?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:43 am 
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Lets you have shorter line on the deck. I don't do this but..

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divimon2000 wrote:
Lets you have shorter line on the deck. I don't do this but..


Actually the amount of line "on the deck" is exactly the same. The pigtail reduces the amount of line between the jib blocks.

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wscotterwin wrote:
Why pigtails guys?


Imagine you've got 18" pigtails hanging off the clew of your jib. This would allow you to reduce your overall jib sheet length by 6 feet (18" x 4 = 72"). This is a significant reduction in sheeting between tacks, and is especially convenient if you sail solo.


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BrianCT wrote:
wscotterwin wrote:
Why pigtails guys?


Imagine you've got 18" pigtails hanging off the clew of your jib. This would allow you to reduce your overall jib sheet length by 6 feet (18" x 4 = 72"). This is a significant reduction in sheeting between tacks, and is especially convenient if you sail solo.


The jib sheet length reduces by 6 feet, but you have to add in the 3 feet of pigtail length (18" x 2), so the total reduction in line is only 3 feet. Which is still worthwhile, but not of huge significance. And you still have to pull the same amount of line through the blocks each time you tack (i.e., they don't make tacking any quicker).

The most important thing to consider when adding pigtails is that you definitely need to make them short enough so that you can fully sheet in when sailing upwind without bottoming out the block. You want to leave a good 3 to 4 inches between the blocks just to be safe.

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srm wrote:
BrianCT wrote:
wscotterwin wrote:
Why pigtails guys?


Imagine you've got 18" pigtails hanging off the clew of your jib. This would allow you to reduce your overall jib sheet length by 6 feet (18" x 4 = 72"). This is a significant reduction in sheeting between tacks, and is especially convenient if you sail solo.


The jib sheet length reduces by 6 feet, but you have to add in the 3 feet of pigtail length (18" x 2), so the total reduction in line is only 3 feet. Which is still worthwhile, but not of huge significance. And you still have to pull the same amount of line through the blocks each time you tack (i.e., they don't make tacking any quicker).

The most important thing to consider when adding pigtails is that you definitely need to make them short enough so that you can fully sheet in when sailing upwind without bottoming out the block. You want to leave a good 3 to 4 inches between the blocks just to be safe.

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Boy, I crashed and burned on that response, didn't I? :oops: Not sure why, but I thought the pigtail being "static" would somehow reduce that extra 3' and somehow reduce the sheeting on tacks (duh!). So effectively, you're just reducing the jib sheet pile on your tramp by 3' then, right? Thanks SRM. I'll probably still make some in the spring.


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BrianCT wrote:
So effectively, you're just reducing the jib sheet pile on your tramp by 3' then, right? Thanks SRM. I'll probably still make some in the spring.


Yes, less birds nest on tramp

But if you one continous line and shorten it there wouldnt be any change


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That's the way I see it. less to pull through the cleat. Also less windage if that makes any difference.

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