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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:56 am 
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Well, that wave threw you out of your seat pretty easily and it would be tougher to do in a lower seat. Im not sure why you were broadside to the wave, it seems u were going too fast and that you stopped pedaling before you flipped and your feet were close together placing the mirage drive straight down, which acts like a huge rudder and inhibits your ability to turn. I find the that extending my legs placing the fins against the hull when trying to turn works much better for the rudder, that way it isnt overpowered by the fins. In that pic the swells look bigger than the vid.
Ive seen guys surf 5ft waves in a PA standing up... Its all about knowing your yak but like I said ive got a 14, no idea about the 12, but if you are having trouble turning try it with mirage fins against the hull & hit waves at a 45 degree angle.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:03 am 
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Jude wrote:
Well, that wave threw you out of your seat pretty easily and it would be tougher to do in a lower seat. Im not sure why you were broadside to the wave, it seems u were going too fast and that you stopped pedaling before you flipped and your feet were close together placing the mirage drive straight down, which acts like a huge rudder and inhibits your ability to turn. I find the that extending my legs placing the fins against the hull when trying to turn works much better for the rudder, that way it isnt overpowered by the fins. In that pic the swells look bigger than the vid.
Ive seen guys surf 5ft waves in a PA standing up... Its all about knowing your yak but like I said ive got a 14, no idea about the 12, but if you are having trouble turning try it with mirage fins against the hull.

Have another look. I wax coming in on 45 deg and cop one from behind. I get bump steered pushed dude on as a breaking wave got me right up on the side. I felt the momentum and tried to avoid having the yak flip by slideing out. It didn't work as there was too much momentum and we both went over. I've got plenty of hours behind me I know what I went through I've tried to describe as best as possible but its very hard to show the true conditions.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:13 am 
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Right on. For whatever reason it just looks like it caught you broadside and I though maybe you couldnt turn. PAs windvane in high winds and extended mirage drives act like a keel in surf.. Making turning tough. Ive never flipped in my PA, but one time in flat calm no wind conditions I flipped my canoe while fishing for absolutely no reason. I was sitting perfectly still. You live & learn youll be a better yaker in the long run...


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:54 am 
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Jude wrote:
Right on. For whatever reason it just looks like it caught you broadside and I though maybe you couldnt turn. PAs windvane in high winds and extended mirage drives act like a keel in surf.. Making turning tough. Ive never flipped in my PA, but one time in flat calm no wind conditions I flipped my canoe while fishing for absolutely no reason. I was sitting perfectly still. You live & learn youll be a better yaker in the long run...

The wave in the vide was massive in comparison to the still. The video just didn't show up the size as it was a fixed close shot from a gopro. Up to 30 knot winds in the still up to 50 knot in the vid.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:02 pm 
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Really is a great vid Corey.
Lots of interest with lots of interpretations.
I wonder whether towing a small drouge/sea anchor would assist with keeping hull and steering on track ???
I realise that it would slow momentum down, but may be a good option.
Large vessels will deploy a drouge off their stern when confronted with very poor conditions to maintain reasonable steerage, especially downwind, with swells/waves.
Just a thought.
Anyone tried it ?????
Cheers,
Rod :)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:08 pm 
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As a new owner of a PA14 are there any vids out there on how to right a flipped boat and get in? Especially in deeper waters?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:52 pm 
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Jeeps-n-yaks wrote:
As a new owner of a PA14 are there any vids out there on how to right a flipped boat and get in? Especially in deeper waters?


Just go flip it and practice yourself. Get back in from the rear or the nose.
Get on YouTube and search 171rhino. He has some great vids and has gone to great trouble to help guys with queries such as yours.

http://youtu.be/8Ec5g5L5oxw here's a link


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:49 am 
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An hour later here's a perspective from land once the weather calmed.

[youtube]zOY3-JhThqo[/youtube]



http://youtu.be/zOY3-JhThqo


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:05 am 
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Hi Corey,
thanks for the new vid.
Hope all is good with you ?
Looking at the new vid, it seems that in rough conditions it's a mistake to go directly with waves and wind.
You flipped the PA when going "downwind". It looks like it's through lack of directional control by rudder where the yak veered off course ???
When you "tacked" at an angle to wind and waves you seemed to have way better control with no capsizing appearing to be especially close.
What are your thoughts now you've had time to review this process ?
Thanks again for your valuable input, I really appreciate it.
Best regards,
Rod


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:24 am 
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The unsinkable Hobie!

Wow, that was an excellent GoPro video though. Good learning tool too.

I would have high tailed it back towards land with wind like that. Goodbye dad, make sure your PFD is tight. lol


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