Hobie Cat Forums

It is currently Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:28 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 31 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:45 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:35 pm
Posts: 77
Location: Mt Kuring-Gai, NSW, Australia
my rudder PIN broke while sailing our TI last week.

I raised the (inoperable) rudder using the usual rudder lift line,
folded up the tramps, and used the mirage drive pedals to drive
us to the nearest beach, using one of the oars to stall the boat on one
side occasionally, to get the bow pointing the right direction.

It was pretty hard work, plus we had the wind behind us which helped alot.
We got to the beach in the end, and I replaced the rudder PIN with the spare.

I don't think I would be capable of replacing a rudder PIN on the water.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:45 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:33 am
Posts: 9
The Evolve comes with a rudder mount as well as a well mount. I use the well mount. The well mount is fixed so steering is accomplished with the rudder. However, if I had a broken rudder, I would set the Evolve to cruising speed, then use a paddle to steer to shore. Your hands and feet are freed up by the Evolve so one could wedge the paddle into the "V" of the aka brace and leverage the paddle like a tiller, using alternate sides of the boat. The centerboard should keep the boat on a mostly straight course. I think one would find it challenging if you had to pedal and steer simultaneously. Forward motion would be one less thing to think about using the Evolve.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:04 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:58 am
Posts: 1502
Location: Forster, NSW, Australia
Just be aware that steering a TI by the paddle is not a foregone conclusion! I found that the forces required to keep it pointed in the desired direction were greater than the paddle could proovide, after snapping an internal rudder line, so I added back-up external lines
Image
This doesn't help if the rudder pin breaks, but at least reduces the risk of being stranded if anything else goes awry in the steering

_________________
Tony Stott
2012 Tandem Island "SIC EM"
www.scenefromabove.com.au


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:53 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:18 am
Posts: 1315
Location: Sarasota,Key West FL
tonystott :
You are correct about trying to steer a TI sailing with a broken rudder, and trying to steer with a paddle, it's near impossible.
I was out today sailing in moderate winds and the rudder pin broke, The winds were variable 10-15 mph and I was trying to limp back into the harbor trying to steer with the paddle, I would have had to steer past a bunch of moored sailboats to get back to the launch point to make the repairs, and as I got closer I realized my steering with the paddle was just not good enough. I ended up stopping and anchoring at a shallow sand bar near by and replaced the rudder pin.
The steering last time out was odd, I suspect the pin was half broke from some previous mis-adventure, but held on the last couple times out in very light winds, but had a strange feel (I'll know better next time to check it when it feels funny). The heavier winds today broke the rest of the pin off.

I think I will start carrying at least two spare rudder pins at all times from now on.
I could have probably anchored and climbed back there to replace the rudder pin out in open water, but felt safer doing it at a close by sandbar in shallow water, where I could inspect and double check everything, then go back out for a while longer.

That little locking ring, I could not get on out in the water, would have needed longnose pliers to get it on, so I left it off. I had pre-bent the one that broke so it could be installed without pliers, but didn't think to pre-bend locking ring on the spare pin ( I will next time).
Bob


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:33 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:58 am
Posts: 1502
Location: Forster, NSW, Australia
Ah, those locking ring! I have modified my spare rudder pins by filing the hole vertically (to minimise loss of strength) so I can fit 2mm wide zip ties through the hole, reasoning this to be virtually tool-free (only maybe needing to snip off the eds for neatness). While replacing the pin in deep water would still be a pain, just maybe fitting the zip ties would be doable.
Image

_________________
Tony Stott
2012 Tandem Island "SIC EM"
www.scenefromabove.com.au


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:40 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:21 pm
Posts: 2229
Location: Maui, Hawaii
A question to ponder...

Why does the rudder pin need anything on the bottom-end before returning to shore and the possibility of inverting to clean or transport?

_________________
Image
http://KayakingBob.com - - - - - Hobie Island Sailing since 2006 - - - - - 2011 & 2012 Hobie AIs and a 2012 TI


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:45 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:18 am
Posts: 1315
Location: Sarasota,Key West FL
KayakingBob:
I am hoping the lock ring is not needed because mine was given a proper burial at sea ( I spoke some 'words' then threw it overboard)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:25 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:58 am
Posts: 1502
Location: Forster, NSW, Australia
You are correct as usual Bob, especially since the raising/lowering lines go through the groove on the "pinhead" :lol: , and I doubt I would try and fit even the zip-ties unless able to land somewhere, but I would fit some sort of keeper at the earliest opportunity

_________________
Tony Stott
2012 Tandem Island "SIC EM"
www.scenefromabove.com.au


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:46 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:35 pm
Posts: 77
Location: Mt Kuring-Gai, NSW, Australia
I mentioned the problems with the rudder PIN to a friend of mine, who is not a sailor, but happens to be a Phd qualified industrial designer. His instant response was that that PIN break design was ok but it should be possible to change the PIN *easily* from the Kayak, on the water, as part of the rudder design assembly - since it is designed to break while you're *on the water*.

Common sense design ?

Are you listening Hobie ?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:07 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 2:31 pm
Posts: 2712
Location: Kailua 96734
I would be careful about injecting pure logic or common sense into any discussion on boats, as no one in their right mind would own one.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:15 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:24 pm
Posts: 99
Location: Houston, TX
I never could see the logic in a retainer ring on the rudder pin. I removed mine about a year ago and never looked back. The pin stays put just fine.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:38 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 2:31 pm
Posts: 2712
Location: Kailua 96734
Forgot to mention, I replaced that humbug ring with a quick release cotter clip.

Image

Seemed like the logical thing to do.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:20 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:57 am
Posts: 154
Location: Fairfax, CA USA
Did the same nohuhu...a buddy down here did it, and it is so much easier to swap out


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:03 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:44 am
Posts: 1
Hi
Thinking of getting 2hp 4 stroke for my TI also
Do u have to counter balance with equal
Weight? Is the Rudder on TI adequate to
Control TI direction going at 5-6 mph?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:42 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:58 am
Posts: 1502
Location: Forster, NSW, Australia
From closely observing a friend's TI fitted with a 13kg Suzuki 4 stroke, I would say that you do not need to counter-balance if the outboard is attached close to the hull, and, yes, the TI rudder is sufficient to effectively control the TI when under motor. Being able to steer using the outboard also adds a very handy redundancy...

_________________
Tony Stott
2012 Tandem Island "SIC EM"
www.scenefromabove.com.au


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 31 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group