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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:05 am 
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Hey all,
I just bought a cart for my AI and I'm wondering how difficult it will be to get my loaded AI up on it. I figure loading it up to head down to the water would be easy enough as I could mount before I load the boat... but getting it back up on the cart down at the water with all the gear in the hull may be a different story. Is it easier than it seems or do you guys moreless empty the equipment before mounting?

Also if anyone is in NC and will be in the Carolina Beach / Fort Fisher area and want to meet up let me know.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:01 pm 
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mount cart into scupper holes with nose of AI on shore (or close) and back end still afloat enough to get scupper cart under it, then walk it foward slowly until boyancy subsides and wheels take the load.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:44 pm 
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That was my initial thought but the tires on this cart seem huge. Not sure if I'll be able to sink them easily lol.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:00 pm 
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Remove the valve cores and fill em partially full with water...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:10 pm 
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Also, you can remove one or both tires for scupper insertion than re-connect them one at a time.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:59 pm 
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I agree to the above method. I remove both tyres, insert cart into plug holes then attach the tyres one by one. Its easy to put the tyres on under water than trying to hold the whole cart in place. Those tyres just have way too much air in them, but very good on the sand. Make sure the tyre has locked into place otherwise the wheel will come off when you wheel it out of the water.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:46 pm 
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I've always been of the opinion that scupper carts are made backwards/upside down. I've been making my own for a few years and the boat simply sets onto the cart, self centers, and then the cart scupper tubes are inserted into and through the hull scuppers down into openings on the cart. Much easier to do and you don't have to turn the boat on its side - never dump your stuff out again.

I'll say it now - the guy who invented the standard run of the mill scupper cart was an idiot. It just makes zero sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:23 pm 
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I tried that method, but the spot that I mostly launch from is a gently sloping beach so
there's no way I can have the bow on the beach and the rear of the yak in enough water
to insert the cart.

When there are choppy, onshore waves, this would makes things even more difficult.

The simplest way (I was sceptical at first) is to haul the lump out of the water, fold in the
amas and bungee them against the hull, then (while holding the cart in one hand) tip
the yak on its side using one of the side handles. Once it's at about 70 degrees, simply
slide the cart into the scuppers and gently low the yak upright again.

I usually remove the mast/sail, but I've seen it done with the mast still in. It does require
a little bit of arm strength, but after a few goes I found it quick and relatively easy.

Cheers,

Mike.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:39 am 
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mingle :

I've kind of done the same thing with my TI (tipping it over on the beach to get the scupper cart in). I always make sure everything in the kayak is tied down anyway (I've lost a lot of stuff) so tipping it up usually doesn't spill anything out. 60% of the time I just put the wheels in before I bring the boat to shore (the easiest way). But when I do need to put the wheels on when on land I remove one AMA but leave the AKA bars on that side on (to steady the boat from tipping over with the sail in), then remove the other AMA (and AKA's). I then grab a hold of the sail and tip the boat on it's side (sail on the ground). I slip the cart in, then go remove the sail (the sail is easiest to remove with the boat on it's side). I then tip the boat back up, then carry the sail and AMA's back to the car separately. I then roll the kayak only over to the car and slip it onto the roof, the cart falls out when I'm hoisting the kayak up, and I then put the cart in the back of the car with all the rest of the junk.
All that is when I'm car topping (about half the time). When I'm using my trailer, I typically don't use the scupper cart at all, I just back the trailer almost to the water, then lift and slide the boat onto the trailer. When using the trailer nothing is removed from the boat (ie... seats, motor, anchor, spinnaker, jib, etc) All the extra sails stay connected with all their rigging lines and all and are just laid down on the hull and bungied down along with the main mast. I just pull my car into the garage unhook the trailer, and walk it into the garage next to the car, takes about a minute.

The TI is a little too heavy to pull around with the AMA's installed, so I typically remove them and walk them separately.
Hope this helps
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:24 pm 
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mingle wrote:
I tried that method, but the spot that I mostly launch from is a gently sloping beach so
there's no way I can have the bow on the beach and the rear of the yak in enough water
to insert the cart.

When there are choppy, onshore waves, this would makes things even more difficult.

The simplest way (I was sceptical at first) is to haul the lump out of the water, fold in the
amas and bungee them against the hull, then (while holding the cart in one hand) tip
the yak on its side using one of the side handles. Once it's at about 70 degrees, simply
slide the cart into the scuppers and gently low the yak upright again.

I usually remove the mast/sail, but I've seen it done with the mast still in. It does require
a little bit of arm strength, but after a few goes I found it quick and relatively easy.

Cheers,

Mike.

I generally use this method too when I'm launching and landing in surf zones.

The only thing I dislike is that it puts a lot of pressure on one scupper hole and also has the potential for damaging the soft wheels/hubs.

If you use this method, lock the scupper cart in place first, and be as gentle as you can when transferring to boats weight to/from its side.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:08 am 
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Jester86 wrote:
Hey all,
I just bought a cart for my AI and I'm wondering how difficult it will be to get my loaded AI up on it. I figure loading it up to head down to the water would be easy enough as I could mount before I load the boat... but getting it back up on the cart down at the water with all the gear in the hull may be a different story. Is it easier than it seems or do you guys moreless empty the equipment before mounting?

Also if anyone is in NC and will be in the Carolina Beach / Fort Fisher area and want to meet up let me know.


Yes, it's very difficult, especially if you've got a cart with the balloon tires. The difficulty is in lining up the rods of the cart with the scupper holes while trying to push down on submerge the tires. That's why many people use a cart with a solid platform that can be pushed under the hull and supports the akas and amas to retrieve their boat from the water.

If you're breaking down your AI (i.e. removing the pontoons), to cartop, then it's much easier. After removing the akas and amas and removing anything that isn't secured, just roll the hull on its side in the water and insert the cart.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:43 am 
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If you remove the amas and roll the boat on its side on the beach, be sure you have removed the Mirage drive or you will bend the fin-mast. Not that I would ever do anything that stupid. :roll: :roll: :oops:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:19 pm 
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I prefer the heavy duty cart, not so much soft sand here in CR. I stick the scupper cart in the scuppers for storage. When landing I stick the cart into place before going thru the minor surf zone. Suggest keeping a leash at all times on the cart, don't want to lose it. Run it up on shore and keep going as the cart takes over.
Note: For extreme surf I'm not going to take the AI out. Use the Revo 13.
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