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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:41 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:14 am 
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Mr. Bluemark-I do actually understand your point. You are also correct in assuming that I dont like pushing against the seat. At one point I could leg press 600 lbs. Thats a lot of pressure to trust to a couple of straps. I have had the straps loosen under pressure so I think a fixed length chain would be better. Pulling forward while pushing MAY give a little extra boost during sprints or when you are against a powerful tide-its debatable.I don`t know. I DO know that the drive unit is designed so well that it can probably take a lot of pressure before the A.I. cracks at the mounts.
My main point is that the molded handles do not provide a good grip.In rough weather(port or starboard waves) you need to counter balance and hold on tight to something. Thanks for your input.

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:12 pm 
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Talking about the various individual pedaling techniques, do you guys actually pull backward on peddles (using the foot straps) after having pushed them forward ?
I tried so and it doesn't seem to be doable from my experience. But I hope there is some trick out there :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:26 pm 
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Aledal wrote:
I have had the straps loosen under pressure so I think a fixed length chain would be better.


Apparently, you can fix that problem with tri-glide buckles.

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:39 pm 
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Thanks for posting-I`ll look into that. And as for balance?

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:52 pm 
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Talking about the various individual pedaling techniques, do you guys actually pull backward on peddles (using the foot straps) after having pushed them forward ?
I tried so and it doesn't seem to be doable from my experience. But I hope there is some trick out there :roll:

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No trick, attach a line from your right peddle to your right grip/arm or left peddle to left grip/arm-whatever. Trust me-these guys are into legs-so leave your arms out of it.LOL.

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:13 pm 
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Aledal wrote:
Thanks for posting-I`ll look into that. And as for balance?


I dunno Aledal - I thought I had been out in some pretty rough weather, but I have never felt the need hang on tight, except to the mainsheet.

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:40 pm 
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arno wrote:
Talking about the various individual pedaling techniques, do you guys actually pull backward on peddles (using the foot straps) after having pushed them forward ?
I tried so and it doesn't seem to be doable from my experience. But I hope there is some trick out there :roll:


Arno, Roadrunner advocates pulling back on the pedals using the footstraps, but I have never found it comfortable. It's doable if you adjust the straps so they're tight on your feet.

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:37 pm 
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I go faster if I have something to hang on to. This may be an affront to the science of recumbancy but it seems to work for me. Relax my arms and the speed drops -- can't say why.

I've come to learn that even an elite rider doesn't actually generate much force pulling. Here's an illustration -- the resulting force (lower line) goes negative on the pedal return [vertical lines L to R (degrees) 0, 90, 180, 270].
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So I think I overestimated the contribution of pulling the pedals back on the return stroke. Just removing some of the leg weight is challenging enough! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 7:07 pm 
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I go faster if I have something to hang on to. This may be an affront to the science of recumbancy but it seems to work for me.


RR, I have a PhD in the science of recumbency, or so my wife seems to believe :roll: .

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 7:49 pm 
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chrisj wrote:
RR, I have a PhD in the science of recumbency, or so my wife seems to believe :roll: .

Then you're just the man I need some advice from! There is a local kayak 5 mile race coming up in a couple of weeks and I'm looking for a way to beat my cross town rival. He doesn't get on these forums often so any advise you give here will be especially helpful! :idea:

I considered an auxiliary electric motor, but am afraid he might hear it. Hiring a boat to generate a nice long wake would be too obvious. If handles won't help, what else is there? :?


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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:08 pm 
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Roadrunner wrote:
chrisj wrote:
RR, I have a PhD in the science of recumbency, or so my wife seems to believe :roll: .

Then you're just the man I need some advice from! There is a local kayak 5 mile race coming up in a couple of weeks and I'm looking for a way to beat my cross town rival. He doesn't get on these forums often so any advise you give here will be especially helpful! :idea:

I considered an auxiliary electric motor, but am afraid he might hear it. Hiring a boat to generate a nice long wake would be too obvious. If handles won't help, what else is there? :?


Hmmm, You could nip down to the gym and see if you can score some 'roids from the local bodybuilders. If it's a couple of weeks away, you might just have time to pack on some extra beef. There won't be urine tests, will there? :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:11 am 
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Steroids? Are you crazy? Why risk your health?
Just sabotage the dudes boat.

Simple. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Balancing Act
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:13 am 
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chrisj wrote:
Roadrunner wrote:
chrisj wrote:
RR, I have a PhD in the science of recumbency, or so my wife seems to believe :roll: .

Then you're just the man I need some advice from! There is a local kayak 5 mile race coming up in a couple of weeks and I'm looking for a way to beat my cross town rival. He doesn't get on these forums often so any advise you give here will be especially helpful! :idea:

I considered an auxiliary electric motor, but am afraid he might hear it. Hiring a boat to generate a nice long wake would be too obvious. If handles won't help, what else is there? :?


Hmmm, You could nip down to the gym and see if you can score some 'roids from the local bodybuilders. If it's a couple of weeks away, you might just have time to pack on some extra beef. There won't be urine tests, will there? :shock:


What about strapping a couple of real penguins to the MirageDrive and hanging some live bait over the bow....

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