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 Post subject: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:34 am 
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Does anyone have a manual / rigging guide for these. I have looked on the hobie site and in the support pages but the PDF in there appears to broken ?
The link in the FAQ's is also broken (same link i think)
I want to know things like spinnaker pole height, rig tension etc. and so we can see if we have missed anything.

Peter

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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:02 am 
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I will/I am looking around. The previous owner never rigged it, so he doesn't know. If you find anything please let me know or post it here and I will do likewise.

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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:48 am 
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I have one of the first ones and don't remember ever seeing a manual but there may have been one.

Spinnaker pole height is pretty much as high as you can rig it under the furler and inboard end at the top of the dolphin striker. Rig tension is not loose, but not so tight that you can pluck a note on a shroud. I use a couple of trap wires to winch the mast up and leave the shrouds set the way they were set at first rigging, so tension is not a problem. Some tension pulled down on a trap wire to set the shrouds should be a plenty much like rigging an 18 or use the mainsheet system from side to side on the traveler. You don't want the mast flopping around but you don't want to deform anything either. If you don't use a winch for raising like I do, you will have to relieve tension on one shroud before being able to lower the mast.

Mast rake is mostly just setting the adjuster through the furler drum so nothing is sticking out the bottom and adjust the shroud tension from there.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:03 am 
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[quote]Mast rake is mostly just setting the adjuster through the furler drum so nothing is sticking out the bottom and adjust the shroud tension from there.
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I have one hole of the adjuster sitcking out of the bottom of my furler. I have done this mainly for raising the mast as this allows me to attach a shackle that the winch attaches to. This seems to balance the boat in the 5-15 mph winds. In the higher winds I start to get significant weather helm. I am thinking that is I rake the mast back more it would give me even more weather helm. OR should I adjust the rudders to have less weather helm and rack the mast more.

I would like to hear from everyone their thoughts on the relationship of wind speed, weather helm, mast rake and rudder alignment and what you minutely adjust for the differing wind speeds while rigging the boat.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:18 am 
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I never saw anyone change rake for different conditions. Like any other boat, you want to balance it so it will ever so slightly round up going upwind with no hold on the tiller but changing amounts of helm pressure in different wind speeds is probably a rudder rake issue. Rake the bottom of the rudder foward to lessen helm. I don't remember how much is right for the 21. I had gudgeons set up on the end of my workbench with stops for the smaller Hobies but I think I just set mine on the 21 with a straight edge down the stern when I found the right amount that worked. I'll check mine again after I start sailing it to see how it is. I like a light pull that you can hold with a couple of fingers in a stiff breeze.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:30 am 
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Here is the link to the assembly manuals.....http://www.hobiecat.com/support/index-sail.html


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:51 am 
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Thanks. I went and read the manual and remembered the method of using the mainsheet system with the boom,traveler from side to side, and halyard to set the shroud tension now. Using the winch and A-frame for raising, I never changed the shrouds after initial tensioning since the winch has plenty of power to allow attachment of the forestay.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:22 am 
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Thank for the link, for some reason i cannot open the PDF it says that the file is damaged and cannot be repaired. ? if anyone has a copy of it saved as a pdf would you please email it to me? can we do that from this site? and Tom, thanks for the advice on my previous post.

Peter - H21SE - Phat Cat


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:40 am 
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Raising the mast was interesting and scary all in the same breath. The boat was on the beach so i turned it stern to the wind and propped up the aft section everso slightly to give a bit of forward lean in the mast once vertical. There was 3 of us, my 60+ yr old father, a friend and myself both mid 30's. we thought we would be able to lift it up like we do on a Dart 18 i.e. place the foot of the mast onto the ball, pass two trapeze wires to a person forward of the rig, he then puts his foot on the foot of the mast and holds the trap wires whilst the other 2 guys walk the rig up from the tip towards the rear of the boat. This works perfectly well on a dart but not on this....sheesh that mast is heavy....not to mention long. This makes for a very heavy section as you walk in with arms outstreached above your head. The idea is that you then step up onto the tramp and hey presto the mast is up. What a mistake. We did manage to get it vertical in the end with the help of a 10foot ladder(dads idea) walking it up behind me to gain extra lift, we then shuffeled the ladder in to a point that allowed me and my friend, we inlisted the help of another person at this time to be the man at the front holding the wires and stopping the ball and mast foot parting company,to haul the mast up off the ladder whilst standing on the tramp and shoving it forward, with the shrouds in place, until it fell home over vertical and on the ball. With our helper holding the trapeze wires at the front and acting like an acrobat he was vertually trapezeing off the front bean holding the mast up, while we put the pins into place for the bridal wires.

Don't try this at home. we got away with it i think.
Wow it looks good though.

UK - H21SE - Phat Cat


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:59 am 
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What's your email address Peter. I would be glad to send the PDF of the manual.

Also, the steps to raising the mast below might help. It is fairly scary with a winch and two people I can't imagine ever raising the mast with no winch.....I have also found that with having the three trapeze wires with the bungies on the outside of the wings controls the left/right movement of the mast while going up. You are using the stepping pin aren't you?
[url]http://www.hobiecat.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=12015&p=71451&hilit=raising+mast#p71451[/url]


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:20 pm 
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doddsy937 @ hotmail . com

Thanks Spesce.
We can't use the trailer winch due to the location of the boat, it sits on the beach pretty much all year. and no we didn't use the mast pin, we dont have one or even know about one.
Kinda just got a bag of bits with this one.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:59 am 
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I sent the manual, line chart, centerboard spring replacement, and SE parts list to your email. Please confirm that you received.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:02 am 
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RE mast raising on the beach
Did you guys have a line attached to the main sail haylard and a guy pulling on that line from in front of the boat. I have raised my mast several times on the beach with very little drama It is long and heavy but the man pulling on the line from the front adds a lot in force and stabilization. I always pull the bows into the wind which is more important than the boat bow downhill I always have the three inch pin at the mast base I check to make sure the plastic ball is tight I seem to suffer from a loose ball most of the time
One man on the tramp one man at the end of the mast one man on the rope in front of the boat pulling for all he can big strong and maybe fat is best
The end of mast guy hand walks the mast as much as possible and then goes and helps rope man when mast is to high to reach
The rope guys hold tension and bridle is connected
I use standard pin in bridle and back it up with a locking nut and bolt I had someone remove the pin at Edisto Beach and the mast fell
I use the EASY STEP TWO system on the trailer It works great No drama but still a long heavy mast It was a lot of money for a short steel tube and some nylon straps but it is worth the cost.


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:03 pm 
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Hey Gary
Thanks for your post. We didn't have the main sail halyard with a line on it, we were attempting a copycat lift that i use on my dart 18 which has a 26ft mast and is one piece and a lot lighter. We only realised how heavy the 21 mast was when we were trying to get from the beach to tramp. We only had 3 guys, 1 walking it in, 1 on the trapeze wires and 1 on the tramp. next time i will use spinnaker halyard as this comes out of the front of the mast higher that the trap wires,no mast pin in but a sturdy foot holding it in place by the trap man. Also the boat must be stern into the wind to help with any righting forces and the reason for hoisting the back of the boat, only 12inches on blocks of wood, was to aid the guy pulling on the trap wires so that as the mast went up it would hang forward on the shrouds, thus holding most of its own weight.
Furler bridle attachement welded up now. waiting for the rudder blades to be re-built and we are there !!! Yehaaaa. cannot wait.

Bring on a force 4 !

Lets go dancin'

UKSail - H21 SE Phat Cat


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 Post subject: Re: Hobie 21SE Manual
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:14 pm 
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My mast pin stays in all the time except to trailer
The main haylard is at the top of the mast which should give better leverage


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